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Boutique/Expensive Oils over standard brands? #4444377
06/28/17 09:00 PM
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Is there any additional benefits to using oils made by Amsoil/Motul/Red Line?

I can't imagine those companies being able to produce oils better than Pennzoil/Shell, Mobil 1, Castrol, or Valvoline. Amplifying infomation is greatly appreciated, don't just say it's awesome.

I plan on build an old Honda D16A1 (similar to a ZC) with slightly higher compression and cams to replace the D15A3 in my 87 CRX Si.

Due to the nature of the engine, I'll like be red lining quite often.

This is a picture of what I plan on building:


Last edited by gryffinwings; 06/28/17 09:07 PM.

1987 Honda CRX Si
2015 BMW 320i
2016 Toyota Tundra
Re: Boutique/Expensive Oils over standard brands? [Re: gryffinwings] #4444379
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Depends on application. For most people I would say give the boutique oils a pass.


2010 Ford Fusion SE 3.0L V6, 181 miles M1 HM 10w-30
Re: Boutique/Expensive Oils over standard brands? [Re: SilverFusion2010] #4444385
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So definitely plan on improving performance of the engine, I want to try and increase compression to as close to 10:1 as possible and a cam. Red line will remain stock at 6500 RPMs.


1987 Honda CRX Si
2015 BMW 320i
2016 Toyota Tundra
Re: Boutique/Expensive Oils over standard brands? [Re: gryffinwings] #4444388
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6500? It's a tractor motor smile You'll likely be just fine with something lik M1 0W-40. That's what I've run in almost everything, including my S2000. I've moved to Red Line 0W-30 in my NSX and will likely do the same in the S2000, but not for any logical reason.

Re: Boutique/Expensive Oils over standard brands? [Re: gryffinwings] #4444392
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I'd pick a full syn 10w-30.


2010 Ford Fusion SE 3.0L V6, 181 miles M1 HM 10w-30
Re: Boutique/Expensive Oils over standard brands? [Re: gryffinwings] #4444395
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Today there are so many good choices that as long as the oil meets the needed spec's there are no bad choices.

Re: Boutique/Expensive Oils over standard brands? [Re: robertcope] #4444397
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Originally Posted By: robertcope
6500? It's a tractor motor smile You'll likely be just fine with something lik M1 0W-40. That's what I've run in almost everything, including my S2000. I've moved to Red Line 0W-30 in my NSX and will likely do the same in the S2000, but not for any logical reason.


LOL, yeah, this is a old style Honda engine with no V-Tec like when the B16A engine came out, so there isn't much point in revving out to the stratosphere. Stock oil weight for the D16A1 is 10W40, honestly, I think that's a bit thick for startup, but then this engine was developed in the 80s, so I'm not sure if a 0W40 is ok for this engine.


1987 Honda CRX Si
2015 BMW 320i
2016 Toyota Tundra
Re: Boutique/Expensive Oils over standard brands? [Re: gryffinwings] #4444399
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Food for thought: The big companies make oil *good enough* and sell it in mass, while the little companies make oil better than is needed for average engines in average conditions but is warranted when they're pushing the envelope. When VWB is more than adequate for 80% of vehicles, especially those that are owned by people who are going to walk in and buy a 5 qt. jug of it at Wal-Mart, the expense of the materials and engineering to make it the best money can buy isn't necessary. But VWB won't do too well in your tuned Civic or 11:1 compression SBC.

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To quote a friend, "Synthetics, man."

'85 GMC C3500, 454, 132K
'82 Mercedes 300CD, OM617 turbo, 173K (totaled 2018, in rehab)
'85 Mercedes 300TD, OM617 turbo, 217K (wife's)
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Re: Boutique/Expensive Oils over standard brands? [Re: gryffinwings] #4444402
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Maybe we should call them craft oils, like craft beer.
Make a list of the base oil sources, and another list of the engine oil additive companies.
Throw out 0W & 5W unless you need those 2 winter grades. You know... for winter, as the name implies.
Now make a list of your engine oil requirements and products offered from the 2 lists.
If you are paying more than $6.00 a liter or US quart, I think you are paying too much.

Re: Boutique/Expensive Oils over standard brands? [Re: gryffinwings] #4444404
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You could run m1 HM 10w-30. HTHS of 3.5. 40 starts at 3.6


2010 Ford Fusion SE 3.0L V6, 181 miles M1 HM 10w-30
Re: Boutique/Expensive Oils over standard brands? [Re: SilverFusion2010] #4444407
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Originally Posted By: SilverFusion2010
You could run m1 HM 10w-30. HTHS of 3.5. 40 starts at 3.6


No point in running a high mileage oil as this engine is going to be rebuilt and modified.


1987 Honda CRX Si
2015 BMW 320i
2016 Toyota Tundra
Re: Boutique/Expensive Oils over standard brands? [Re: gryffinwings] #4444417
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I think M1 0W-40 would be a good choice.


"Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead."
Re: Boutique/Expensive Oils over standard brands? [Re: gryffinwings] #4444419
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I see no benefit using boutique oils vs the regular brands. I do see a benefit in not using boutique oil....cost. I would run 10w30 or 40 syn or blend oil.


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Re: Boutique/Expensive Oils over standard brands? [Re: gryffinwings] #4444438
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So if I want to use Pennzoil, which is what I normally use, I'd need to use Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W40, which is the closest weight, the heighest weights for regular platinum is 10w30 and 5w30. I guess this would be a pretty good oil as it's specced for Ferrari.


1987 Honda CRX Si
2015 BMW 320i
2016 Toyota Tundra
Re: Boutique/Expensive Oils over standard brands? [Re: gryffinwings] #4444457
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Nope, I think they're just gimmicks.

Plenty of cars used and abused running quick-lube conventionals that aren't changed too often with 200k+ miles.

Now just imagine how happy those cars would be with some Pennzoil Platinum or Mobil 1.


2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4L 88k Motorcraft Synthetic Blend 5w30 & OEM
2000 Toyota Camry 2.2L 231k Valvoline 5w30 & Fram Ultra
1996 Jeep Cherokee 4.0L 147k Mobil 1 HM 10w40 & Fram Ultra
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