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Is this steelie wheel repairable? Pics #4440440
06/24/17 04:25 PM
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The driver side of the car went over the curb at about 20mph. It damaged the inside of the steelie as you can see in the pics. Tire leaked a little air, so I will get a new tire.

Someone at a tire shop said he can fix it on the side, no guarantee and can't come back.

What do you think? Better to get a new wheel?







Last edited by shadow7; 06/24/17 04:26 PM.
Re: Is this steelie wheel repairable? [Re: shadow7] #4440443
06/24/17 04:27 PM
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Fix it...that's the nice thing about steelies. $10 or less


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Re: Is this steelie wheel repairable? [Re: shadow7] #4440444
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Easy fix prob no harm but not worth it, weaken the wheel and it could fail when you need handling the most (in a wreck)


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Re: Is this steelie wheel repairable? [Re: shadow7] #4440445
06/24/17 04:28 PM
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A little patience with a copper hammer will have that back to round in no time. If it balances without too much weight throw a tyre on and leave it for a week. If its held pressure it's good smile


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Re: Is this steelie wheel repairable? [Re: shadow7] #4440447
06/24/17 04:32 PM
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I'd fix it smile


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Re: Is this steelie wheel repairable? [Re: Olas] #4440451
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Originally Posted By: Olas
A little patience with a copper hammer will have that back to round in no time. If it balances without too much weight throw a tyre on and leave it for a week. If its held pressure it's good smile


It definitely still has a lot air in it.

Re: Is this steelie wheel repairable? [Re: shadow7] #4440456
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I absolutely would not fix it. You've exceeded the yield strength of the material. Bending it back requires further yield strength excursions which will work harden the material. Work hardening may sound like a good thing, and in some instances it is, but not here. It makes the material harder, stronger, more brittle, less ductile and less tough. The more brittle less ductile and less tough is the important part to focus on here, especially in a part that sees impact loading and cyclic stress. All of those factors can lead to high cycle fatigue stress failure in a brittle material. For the small cost of a replacement steel wheel I think bending it back is penny wise and pound foolish. If it was a farm truck or a low speed implement where failure is a nuisance and unlikely to cause loss of control or additional damage and injury then sure. In a passenger car, not a chance.


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Re: Is this steelie wheel repairable? [Re: shadow7] #4440466
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Definitely repairable. Hit it with a torch and then quench it in hot oil when alls said and done.


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Re: Is this steelie wheel repairable? [Re: shadow7] #4440486
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get a used one from junk yard , else you will be driving cracked junk at 80 mph on interstate


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Re: Is this steelie wheel repairable? [Re: L_Sludger] #4440487
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Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Definitely repairable. Hit it with a torch and then quench it in hot oil when alls said and done.


Oil quenching of this is neither needed nor desired. It will only make the metal even more brittle than working it cold. I refer back to my previous post for concerns about making the wheel more brittle than it was.

If you're going to work the metal either do it cold, or if you do it with heat allow the material to air cool to prevent embrittlement of the base material through rapid cooling (quenching).


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Re: Is this steelie wheel repairable? [Re: shadow7] #4440494
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Copper? LOL, hit it with a 20 lb sledge.

Re: Is this steelie wheel repairable? [Re: shadow7] #4440500
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Definitively fix it. My family owned a heavy collision and wheel alignment shop for 46 years, my grandpa straightened many wheels in his day. Never had a return for anything.

Unless the tire has clear damage, I wouldn't replace it. It probably just lost some air once you hit the curb and the tire sealed against the bead again. It's probably fine.


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Re: Is this steelie wheel repairable? [Re: shadow7] #4440506
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I'd replace it, that can't be a more than $20 junk yard wheel-even if just for the "peace of mind" value alone.


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Re: Is this steelie wheel repairable? [Re: FlyNavyP3] #4440507
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Originally Posted By: FlyNavyP3
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Definitely repairable. Hit it with a torch and then quench it in hot oil when alls said and done.


Oil quenching of this is neither needed nor desired. It will only make the metal even more brittle than working it cold. I refer back to my previous post for concerns about making the wheel more brittle than it was.

If you're going to work the metal either do it cold, or if you do it with heat allow the material to air cool to prevent embrittlement of the base material through rapid cooling (quenching).
Thanks for your informed and erudite response. My amended recommendation is to take the tire off, cold work the wheel to make it true, heat it up to incandescence and let it sit and air cool. Then repaint it and motor along. (and thanks for your service to our nation)


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Re: Is this steelie wheel repairable? [Re: L_Sludger] #4440512
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Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Originally Posted By: FlyNavyP3
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Definitely repairable. Hit it with a torch and then quench it in hot oil when alls said and done.


Oil quenching of this is neither needed nor desired. It will only make the metal even more brittle than working it cold. I refer back to my previous post for concerns about making the wheel more brittle than it was.

If you're going to work the metal either do it cold, or if you do it with heat allow the material to air cool to prevent embrittlement of the base material through rapid cooling (quenching).
I was suggesting cold working it, and then heating it up and stress relieving with the quench with the gentle hot oil process. You disagree? Okay


The quenching is the part I disagreed with, both from an engineering and metallurgical standpoint both of which I'm trained in. Additionally as a trained aviation mishap investigator I've dedicated a lot of time and energy to understanding failure modes and post failure analysis.

Your understanding of quenching as a means to stress relieve a part is flawed. Quenching a part is actually the polar opposite of stress relieving the part which is generally accomplished by tempering a part.


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