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#4439932 - 06/23/17 10:05 PM What makes dexos 'better' than SN?
SilverFusion2010 Online   content


Registered: 06/29/11
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Loc: Crawfordville FL
I'm not familiar with the standard beyond knowing it's a GM thing and 10w-30 isn't included.

Would there be any benefit to switching to a dexos oil in a 3.0L duratec circa 2010? I'm currently running M1 HM 10w-30
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#4439938 - 06/23/17 10:14 PM Re: What makes dexos 'better' than SN? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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Registered: 06/13/16
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Loc: MN
The M1 HM 10w-30 is already a high level performer. You're not going to improve anything going to dexos1.
That said, dexos1 does demand better wear performance and less piston deposits than most SN-basic swill.
You'll see the test standards compared at https://online.lubrizol.com/relperftool/pc.html

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#4439939 - 06/23/17 10:15 PM Re: What makes dexos 'better' than SN? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3307062/Dexos_vs_ILSAC_charts

Here. Green line is GF-5/SN. Blue line is Dexos 1.

There are no 10w-30s that are Dexos rated. Of all the HM oils out there, M1 is at the top of my list along with Maxlife. Keep doing what you're doing.

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#4439941 - 06/23/17 10:17 PM Re: What makes dexos 'better' than SN? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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There is one area of performance you'd improve though. I remember your M1 HM 10w30 has an excessively high HTHS for your application. It won't hurt to keep using the 10w30 you have, yet you can get about 1% better power and MPG if you go with a dexos1 5w30 with a more suitable lower HTHS for your duratec.

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#4439946 - 06/23/17 10:29 PM Re: What makes dexos 'better' than SN? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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I have enough HM to change the oil with, I may designate that to the old beater. Do you have a preferred dexos 5w-30?
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#4439949 - 06/23/17 10:33 PM Re: What makes dexos 'better' than SN? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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Run the M1 HM 10w-30 to 10,000 OCI's and the engine will last forever. You're doing just fine.
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#4439996 - 06/23/17 11:59 PM Re: What makes dexos 'better' than SN? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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Dexos 1 spec has more stringent criteria than SN. The M1 most likely EXCEEDS all the dexos 1 requirements except for fuel economy, as it meets A3/B3.


Edited by umungus1122 (06/24/17 12:02 AM)
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#4440027 - 06/24/17 02:51 AM Re: What makes dexos 'better' than SN? [Re: umungus1122]
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Registered: 09/20/14
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Loc: Seattle-ish, WA
Originally Posted By: umungus1122
Dexos 1 spec has more stringent criteria than SN. The M1 most likely EXCEEDS all the dexos 1 requirements except for fuel economy, as it meets A3/B3.


And that's why I use that oil. The A3/B3 is a stringent requirement and few widely available oils meet it. They were updated in 2016 and as of 2/17 Mobil is claiming to meet the standards. Here's a visual comparison. Keep in mind, these are the minimum, relative performance standards for each specification.

This is the current A3/B3 standards against Dexos 2. They are very similar:


This is against Dexos 1:

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#4440070 - 06/24/17 05:56 AM Re: What makes dexos 'better' than SN? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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Registered: 06/29/11
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Loc: Crawfordville FL
They are close. It's interesting that the dexos has a 1 line advantage in the wear category. Am I right to think that doesn't mean much?
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#4440083 - 06/24/17 06:44 AM Re: What makes dexos 'better' than SN? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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Registered: 09/26/04
Posts: 90
Loc: South La
If you have the same brand, same base oil but one of the oil is 5w30 and meets Dexos 1 and the other is 10w30 so it can't meet Dexos 1
due to having a 10W would the additives package be the same?

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