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#4438221 - 06/22/17 06:29 AM Cold running modern diesels...
Shannow Offline


Registered: 12/12/02
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Loc: 'Stralia
My new VM 2.8 (Duramax 2.8) in the Colorado only ever gets to 78C "engine temperature"..., and most I've been able to push it to is 81C, with a rapid recovery back to 78.

Find it interesting, as obviously the Dexos 2 oil is running a loooong way from what most of us consider "normal" for a 3.5+ HTHS oil.

Find it interesting on the ability to boil off water and unburned fuel.

Pretty sure that it's a NOx control (Oz Duramx 2.8 has nowehere to add blue), but it's really low compared to where I'm used to.

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#4438222 - 06/22/17 06:30 AM Re: Cold running modern diesels... [Re: Shannow]
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170-175F

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#4438223 - 06/22/17 06:34 AM Re: Cold running modern diesels... [Re: Shannow]
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Yep, that's not quite what I'd be expecting. 78 C isn't terribly cool, at least by older standards, but it's not what I expect these days.
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#4438227 - 06/22/17 06:41 AM Re: Cold running modern diesels... [Re: Shannow]
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The 6.6s are cold blooded too. To get mine warmed enough to start dropping oil pressure, I have to climb a 13% grade for 10 minutes. DEF use is typically 1L/1000km and the tank hold 28L I'm told.

To avoid DPF issues, I stopped using the fuel tank as a recycle depot to get rid of stale dated 2-stroke, engine oil, hydraulic and transmission fluids.

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#4438240 - 06/22/17 07:15 AM Re: Cold running modern diesels... [Re: Shannow]
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Not just diesels. I've noticed a few Hondas and a Mercedes or two have ~170F thermostats.
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#4438246 - 06/22/17 07:18 AM Re: Cold running modern diesels... [Re: Shannow]
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
My new VM 2.8 (Duramax 2.8) in the Colorado only ever gets to 78C "engine temperature"...,

Isn't "engine temperature" coolant temp? If so, then what is the oil temp?
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#4438273 - 06/22/17 07:47 AM Re: Cold running modern diesels... [Re: userfriendly]
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Originally Posted By: userfriendly

To avoid DPF issues, I stopped using the fuel tank as a recycle depot to get rid of stale dated 2-stroke, engine oil, hydraulic and transmission fluids.


Everything in moderation!

My old International 7.3 IDI (pre-Powerstroke) gets a steady diet of various above mentioned fluids.
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#4438274 - 06/22/17 07:48 AM Re: Cold running modern diesels... [Re: Quattro Pete]
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete

Isn't "engine temperature" coolant temp? If so, then what is the oil temp?


If there are "under piston spray jets" - then the oil will exceed 100*C at some point, just maybe not the entire sump at one time.
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#4438275 - 06/22/17 07:50 AM Re: Cold running modern diesels... [Re: Shannow]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
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Loc: Waco, TX
Originally Posted By: Shannow
My new VM 2.8 (Duramax 2.8) in the Colorado


Interesting how VM now has an agreement with GM..... here, VM has the go-to for small diesels (V6, though) in Dodge/Jeep vehicles. None too terribly reliable from what I'm hearing.

I'm thinking if it has the Duramax name on it, they'll uphold their reputation.


Edited by Linctex (06/22/17 07:53 AM)
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#4438277 - 06/22/17 07:52 AM Re: Cold running modern diesels... [Re: Linctex]
Shannow Offline


Registered: 12/12/02
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: Shannow
My new VM 2.8 (Duramax 2.8) in the Colorado


Interesting how VM has an agreement with GM in Oz..... here, VM is the go-to for small diesels in Dodge/Jeep vehicles. None too terribly reliable from what I'm hearing.


VM is the duramax 2.8...

http://www.vmmotori.com/4-cilindri/automotive-en/4-cilindri.html


In Texas as well

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#4438280 - 06/22/17 07:54 AM Re: Cold running modern diesels... [Re: Shannow]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
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Loc: Waco, TX
Originally Posted By: Shannow


In Texas as well


Yes, very interesting - It was news to me!
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#4438281 - 06/22/17 08:03 AM Re: Cold running modern diesels... [Re: Linctex]
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Cheers1 Cheers1

which actually means I've in the last 3 months bought 2 GM vehicles...with VM engines

couple of weeks ago a Holden Captiva Diesel (made by Daewoo) for my wife, with this engine in it
http://www.vmmotori.com/a-420-sohc/automotive-en/4-cilindri/a-420-sohcen.html

And the Colorado with the Thai Duramax
http://www.vmmotori.com/a-428-dohc/automotive-en/4-cilindri/a-428-dohcen.html


Two Holdens
Two Diesels
Two VM engines.


Edited by Shannow (06/22/17 08:04 AM)
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#4438283 - 06/22/17 08:04 AM Re: Cold running modern diesels... [Re: MinamiKotaro]
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Registered: 01/01/13
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Loc: America's Dairyland
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
Not just diesels. I've noticed a few Hondas and a Mercedes or two have ~170F thermostats.

My Accord stays right at 80c water temp so bulk oil isn't much higher. Supposedly Honda went to a 90c thermostat in 2016 Accords.
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#4438284 - 06/22/17 08:07 AM Re: Cold running modern diesels... [Re: Shannow]
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Loc: Michigan
If you want a hot running diesel buy a LLY duramax and put a trailer behind it.
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#4438291 - 06/22/17 08:16 AM Re: Cold running modern diesels... [Re: Shannow]
Rand Offline


Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 12641
Loc: NE,Ohio
Interesting just from a data point of view

my 2017 with the 3.2 pentastar(gas)

Usually runs about:
150f-160f transmission temp.
185-195 coolant temp
oil temp near 200f Measured at the pan
but I only have a couple data points on oil temp The other 2 I've seen many times.
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