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Kia 2.0T and 2.4L engine safety recall (SC147)... #4437762
06/21/17 02:55 PM
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FYI - Kia Optima Safety Recall (SC147) for the 2.0T and 2.4L (and others):

Many of us are who are potentially affected are beginning to get the next round of letters from Kia and I must say I've been impressed! My first letter in the fall of last year moved the warranty from 10yr/100K miles (original owners only) to 10years/120K miles for ALL owners (including reimbursing any owners who paid out of pocket).

With the Safety Recall, they have now extended the engine warranty to 15 years and UNLIMITED mileage for ALL owners (original, 2nd, etc.). This is found in the FAQ section, Question #14. This is also a full long-block assembly replacement (stated as such in the letter)! This replacement should have all the improvements this engine series had till the last MY of production (2015 for the Optima 2.0T, etc.).

This is regardless of passing the same "noise" test or not that Hyundai has been doing (with a new dipstick and a free oil change). A rental/loaner car will also be provided if a replacement is needed (from Kia tech on FB).

THIS IS VERY GOOD NEWS!

From the Q&A section of the letter:

Kia SC147 Q&A section (Official)

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His: '12 Kia Optima SX - 2.0L GDI Twin-Scroll Turbo [Tuned] (76K)
>EDGE 0W-40, Fram XG9688
Her's: '14 Nissan Rogue SL AWD - 2.5L NA (75K)
>EDGE 0W-20, Fram XG6607
Re: Kia 2.0T and 2.4L engine safety recall (SC147)... [Re: WhizkidTN] #4437776
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I am pretty impressed by that warranty, what a way to stand by a product.


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Re: Kia 2.0T and 2.4L engine safety recall (SC147)... [Re: WhizkidTN] #4437777
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A new long-block? That's actually awesome for affected owners. Sadly for Hyundai that they have no other option.
Another day, another classic forced-hand mea culpa. Business as usual everyone.
Quote:
A former Hyundai engineer told the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) that Hyundai was well aware of the Theta II problems, even as they denied it publicly and pushed against a recall.

The engineer, Kim Kwang-ho, was a Hyundai employee for 25 years. After his whistleblowing he was hauled in front of Hyundai’s disciplinary committee and accused of leaking secret corporate information in August 2016.


Scambling for solutions is a hopelessly futile endeavour and potentially dangerous, without first coming to a solid, personal understanding of the problem. Beware riding the ideological hobby horse.
Re: Kia 2.0T and 2.4L engine safety recall (SC147)... [Re: WhizkidTN] #4437818
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On the Q&A, question 12: How long will the repair take? Answer: 1 hour. This cannot be to replace the long block? What is it?


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Re: Kia 2.0T and 2.4L engine safety recall (SC147)... [Re: PimTac] #4437838
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
On the Q&A, question 12: How long will the repair take? Answer: 1 hour. This cannot be to replace the long block? What is it?


Update some software and run some snake oil? popcorn2

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Re: Kia 2.0T and 2.4L engine safety recall (SC147)... [Re: PimTac] #4437872
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
On the Q&A, question 12: How long will the repair take? Answer: 1 hour. This cannot be to replace the long block? What is it?


Should be similar to Hyundai's inspection program. It involves a tablet that will record the engine sound and listen for any abnormalities. Then they replace the dipstick if the test passes to indicate the test passed. An hour sounds about right... about 30 minutes for the test and another 30 for typical paperwork, waiting for a tech, etc. If the test fails they will order the replacement engine and schedule the install.

More details: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2015/RCRIT-15V568-3933.pdf

Re: Kia 2.0T and 2.4L engine safety recall (SC147)... [Re: WhizkidTN] #4437903
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Ah okay. Not enough coffee this morning.


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Re: Kia 2.0T and 2.4L engine safety recall (SC147)... [Re: WhizkidTN] #4437942
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I see this as a way for Hyundai/Kia to make sure they out-do all the other MFG's as far as standing behind product. This will vault them into super stardom in some circles and create a legend that they could not buy any other way smile

It might be expensive in the short run, but it will generate good will for decades, and there will be word-of-mouth driven sales for as far as one can see into the future. Add in the situation with some of their cars being actually pretty good and stylish - it's a home run smile


Formerly in marine engineering. In an earlier life I owned my own petroleum tank truck, and hauled for the majors and independent's.
Re: Kia 2.0T and 2.4L engine safety recall (SC147)... [Re: WhizkidTN] #4437944
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Does this cross over to the Hyundai 132 campaign of the same concern?


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Re: Kia 2.0T and 2.4L engine safety recall (SC147)... [Re: michaelluscher] #4437960
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Originally Posted By: michaelluscher
Does this cross over to the Hyundai 132 campaign of the same concern?


Not that we know of yet. It would make sense to do so but Hyundai and Kia are two separate but related entities.


His: '12 Kia Optima SX - 2.0L GDI Twin-Scroll Turbo [Tuned] (76K)
>EDGE 0W-40, Fram XG9688
Her's: '14 Nissan Rogue SL AWD - 2.5L NA (75K)
>EDGE 0W-20, Fram XG6607
Re: Kia 2.0T and 2.4L engine safety recall (SC147)... [Re: WhizkidTN] #4437977
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Wow this makes a high mile used Kia a steal.


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Re: Kia 2.0T and 2.4L engine safety recall (SC147)... [Re: WhizkidTN] #4438068
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Doesn't Hyundai own about 30% of Kia? I thought they were pretty much the same company?


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Re: Kia 2.0T and 2.4L engine safety recall (SC147)... [Re: WhizkidTN] #4438125
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Originally Posted By: WhizkidTN
Originally Posted By: michaelluscher
Does this cross over to the Hyundai 132 campaign of the same concern?


Not that we know of yet. It would make sense to do so but Hyundai and Kia are two separate but related entities.

I wonder...

Time will tell

I do know that for some anecdotal reason, even though these engines are on ridiculous backorder, KIA seems to wait longer/have less of them then Hyundai

Neighbor has a '11 Sonata, had the campaign and new dipstick at 40k, by 50k it had used 3 quarts, and one day had a very nonchalant engine seizure

A little over a month later, a new engine was procured, and it's fine


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Re: Kia 2.0T and 2.4L engine safety recall (SC147)... [Re: WhizkidTN] #4438545
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Scambling for solutions is a hopelessly futile endeavour and potentially dangerous, without first coming to a solid, personal understanding of the problem. Beware riding the ideological hobby horse.
Re: Kia 2.0T and 2.4L engine safety recall (SC147)... [Re: PeterPolyol] #4438662
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We need more heroes like him in our world.


His: '12 Kia Optima SX - 2.0L GDI Twin-Scroll Turbo [Tuned] (76K)
>EDGE 0W-40, Fram XG9688
Her's: '14 Nissan Rogue SL AWD - 2.5L NA (75K)
>EDGE 0W-20, Fram XG6607
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