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#4429268 - 06/12/17 10:30 AM F150 Ecoboost towing 14K up 6% grade
tig1 Offline


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Thought this was interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FXP-4FCexc


Edited by tig1 (06/12/17 10:31 AM)
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#4429283 - 06/12/17 10:40 AM Re: F150 Ecoboost towing 14K up 6% grade [Re: tig1]
Miller88 Offline


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This is something they started on FTE a (7?) few years ago. Pretty cool to watch that the 3.5 Ecoboost is quicker than an old 7.3 super duty!

There was word that a BRO with his Cummins on a smoke tune tried it and blew it to pieces. Can't tow 14K up a steep grade on a smoke tune without EGT monitoring.
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#4429334 - 06/12/17 11:27 AM Re: F150 Ecoboost towing 14K up 6% grade [Re: tig1]
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The Fast Lane Truck did a test like this up a steep hill and the Ecoboost beat Chevy's biggest baddest engine uphill, but the chevy did better going down the same hill. You can find it on Youtube.
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#4429344 - 06/12/17 11:39 AM Re: F150 Ecoboost towing 14K up 6% grade [Re: tig1]
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Registered: 08/24/11
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The question in my mind is how many times can you do it before something blows.

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#4429366 - 06/12/17 12:06 PM Re: F150 Ecoboost towing 14K up 6% grade [Re: HerrStig]
Bud_One Offline


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Originally Posted By: HerrStig
The question in my mind is how many times can you do it before something blows.


+1 - Exactly
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#4429383 - 06/12/17 12:24 PM Re: F150 Ecoboost towing 14K up 6% grade [Re: tig1]
IndyIan Offline


Registered: 09/23/08
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I guess if all the fluids and mechanicals are kept at a reasonable temperature, then running it hard isn't going to shorten its life too much.
Lots of marine engines get run plenty hard, and are built for it, so they last a long time.
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#4429385 - 06/12/17 12:27 PM Re: F150 Ecoboost towing 14K up 6% grade [Re: tig1]
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I don't get why it's interesting. The EB 3.5 has a Diesel-like flat torque curve and has the HP to back it up. Turbos are proven technology, used in semis and turbo-Diesel's. Nobody thinks twice about an I6 Cummins pulling that weight or more but a "little V6 can't do it"???

We pull 10k behind ours (camper) and it does fine where we've had it - mountains of PA, VA, and NY State. It will hold 65 up most hills in 4th and if you need more oomph it will drop to 3rd or 2nd and start pulling away. It will pass most bigger vehicles on the uphill if I let it. Downhill braking is good but you do notice you are driving a smaller displacement engine. It will go down to 2nd at 5k RPM if need be.

The engine is nearing it's 8th birthday (it came out in late summer 2009 in the cars) and they don't go boom any more than any other engine.

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#4429391 - 06/12/17 12:33 PM Re: F150 Ecoboost towing 14K up 6% grade [Re: tig1]
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Registered: 04/10/16
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Respectable!

... just don't try to tell me my '85 GMC C3500 can't do it with equivalently moderate mods, too. Only difference will be about 4 MPG over an average trip with that load. Then once the trailer's unhooked it'll blow me out of the water. Though once he has to overhaul his engine I'll blow him back outa the water, etc., etc. :P
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#4429395 - 06/12/17 12:38 PM Re: F150 Ecoboost towing 14K up 6% grade [Re: tig1]
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Don't forget about tongue weight limits on an F150...
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#4429398 - 06/12/17 12:40 PM Re: F150 Ecoboost towing 14K up 6% grade [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 04/15/10
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Originally Posted By: Miller88
This is something they started on FTE a (7?) few years ago. Pretty cool to watch that the 3.5 Ecoboost is quicker than an old 7.3 super duty!

There was word that a BRO with his Cummins on a smoke tune tried it and blew it to pieces. Can't tow 14K up a steep grade on a smoke tune without EGT monitoring.


7.3 is pretty slow, but there is a reason they last so long.
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#4429399 - 06/12/17 12:41 PM Re: F150 Ecoboost towing 14K up 6% grade [Re: IndyIan]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
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Originally Posted By: IndyIan
I guess if all the fluids and mechanicals are kept at a reasonable temperature, then running it hard isn't going to shorten its life too much. Lots of marine engines get run plenty hard, and are built for it, so they last a long time.


Exactly - the supporting systems are key.

Marine engines have a lot of reserve cooling capacity.
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#4429405 - 06/12/17 12:46 PM Re: F150 Ecoboost towing 14K up 6% grade [Re: itguy08]
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Registered: 12/31/16
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Originally Posted By: itguy08
Turbos are proven technology, used in semis and turbo-Diesel's. Nobody thinks twice about an I6 Cummins pulling that weight or more but a "little V6 can't do it"???


"Apples to Oranges" - - - take apart the engines you mentioned and look at the size, heft and robustness of the engine internals.

Pretty amazing what the "little V6" can do and STILL LIVE considering they're maybe 1/3 the heft of a Cummins!!!


Turbos aren't "prejudiced" - they'll be more than happy to blow up any engine you bolt them onto if you don't have your engine tuned properly.
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#4429421 - 06/12/17 01:02 PM Re: F150 Ecoboost towing 14K up 6% grade [Re: Linctex]
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Registered: 11/09/08
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Turbos are proven technology, used in semis and turbo-Diesel's. Nobody thinks twice about an I6 Cummins pulling that weight or more but a "little V6 can't do it"???


"Apples to Oranges" - - - take apart the engines you mentioned and look at the size, heft and robustness of the engine internals.

Pretty amazing what the "little V6" can do and STILL LIVE considering they're maybe 1/3 the heft of a Cummins!!!


Turbos aren't "prejudiced" - they'll be more than happy to blow up any engine you bolt them onto if you don't have your engine tuned properly.


Never looked, but I know in a prior thread I looked up weights, and was surprised that the 3.5 EB weighed about the same as 5.0.
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#4429424 - 06/12/17 01:03 PM Re: F150 Ecoboost towing 14K up 6% grade [Re: tig1]
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Registered: 04/18/17
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Loc: Fort Worth TX
When it comes to upgrading my pickup I might just have to consider a Ecoboost. Coming from a guy who only ever owns toyotas. I have never thought highly of ford (other than their diesels) but their gas powered vehicles are coming along nicely...along with a few other brands too
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#4429426 - 06/12/17 01:06 PM Re: F150 Ecoboost towing 14K up 6% grade [Re: tig1]
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Registered: 10/01/10
Posts: 6921
Loc: Michigan
Not much frontal area on that trailer he's towing. Pretty short grade, too. But it does very well for 215 cubic inches. Would I ditch my 5.9 Cummins for it? No.

GM should put a couple of turbos on their 4.3L Gen V V6 and tune it for about 400 HP @ 5200 rpm. It'd get better fuel economy than the EB Ford, and be a lot cheaper to manufacture.


Edited by A_Harman (06/12/17 01:08 PM)
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