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2016 F150 5.0L, 12889 km, Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 #4423440
06/05/17 06:58 PM
06/05/17 06:58 PM
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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Code:
OIL             Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20
KM IN USE       12889 km, 372 hrs (7.5 months)
KM ON TRUCK     22869 km
SAMPLE TAKEN    May 29, 2017  

ALUMINUM        9        
CHROMIUM        2        
IRON            50       
COPPER          4       
LEAD            0       
TIN             0       
MOLYBDENUM      52      
NICKEL          0             
SILVER          0       
TITANIUM        0                
POTASSIUM       4      
BORON           4      
SILICON         11        
SODIUM          13       
CALCIUM         2282     
MAGNESIUM       10     
PHOSPHORUS      508      
ZINC            646     
BARIUM          0
        
WATER           0
Fuel            0              
SUS V40         45.5
cSt V100        8.1
VI              152
Sulfation       26
Oxi             22
Nitration       11
TBN             1.7
TAN             3.71



Slightly concerned with the iron in this sample, and the low TBN. I assume it was still from breaking in though given the low km on the engine. This would be the 3rd oil change on the truck. I did two shorter intervals(2500 km, then 7500 km) then this full interval following the IOLM. It was changed at 1%. The run had a variety of truck duty. Several 1/4 mile passes, -30C to +30C weather, towing, daily driven with short trips typically. Fram Ultra filter used which looked perfect when I cut it open. Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-20 was put back in along with another Fram Ultra.

Re: 2016 F150 5.0L, 12889 km, Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 [Re: advocate] #4423750
06/06/17 05:26 AM
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Break in metals; to be expected. Half of all your total km's came in this one OCI.
Fret not, stay the course, no problems here.


The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: 2016 F150 5.0L, 12889 km, Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 [Re: advocate] #4423763
06/06/17 05:51 AM
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Sav ga
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85 cj7 4.2 performance build. Schaeffer 9000
08 cbr600rr graffiti. T6
08 husky sm610 t6
Re: 2016 F150 5.0L, 12889 km, Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 [Re: advocate] #4423836
06/06/17 07:39 AM
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Balearic Islands , Spain
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Relatively new truck, i would not worry about it.


1975 Ford Capri II Ghia 3000 V6, - Shell Helix HX3 20W-50 w/ 20% Rimula R4X 15W-40 HDEO.

1988 Ford Escort Mk4 Xr3i Cabrio, - Shell Rimula R4X 15W-40, w/ 30% Helix 3 20W-50.
Re: 2016 F150 5.0L, 12889 km, Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 [Re: advocate] #4423845
06/06/17 07:54 AM
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Washington, USA
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That's a full cycle on a new motor. My experience has been Ford motors continue to drop wear metals until you get around 15-20k miles (24-32k kilometers).


2016 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost
Current Oil: Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 and Fram Ultra filter
Re: 2016 F150 5.0L, 12889 km, Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 [Re: advocate] #4423866
06/06/17 08:07 AM
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Virginia
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Canadian winter, drag racing & towing - the oil did quite well IMO. Good post.


92 Suburban 2500 7.4L 58k M1_0w40 5yr OCI
99 Olds Aurora 4.0L 91K M1_5w30 5yr OCI
13 Dodge Dart 2.0L 30k PP 0w20 OLM OCI
70 Camaro 5.7L 59k
Re: 2016 F150 5.0L, 12889 km, Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 [Re: advocate] #4423874
06/06/17 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted By: advocate
Code:
TBN             1.7
TAN             3.71


Slightly concerned with the iron in this sample, and the low TBN.

I was always wondering that people paid $40k+ for a new truck, but try to squeeze $0.01 extending OCI over all limits. TAN is more than 2 times higher than TBN - what we are talking about? Who cares about iron if it less than 150 ppm? Oil needed to be changed 5000 km before!
Greedy always pay twice...


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2013 Toyota Camry XLE V6
2012 Honda Accord EX-L V6
Re: 2016 F150 5.0L, 12889 km, Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 [Re: advocate] #4423924
06/06/17 09:27 AM
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Northern Ontario, Canada
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If it was my truck and with what I would call extreme weather conditions in Edmonton, I wouldn't run the oil past 7,500 kms.

But hey, not my truck or my money.


2016 Sorento SX V6 AWD
2015 KIA RIO SX
2010 Mazda 3 2.0L
2009 Venza V6 AWD
2013 Sonata 2.4L RIP in write-off crash
Re: 2016 F150 5.0L, 12889 km, Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 [Re: advocate] #4423993
06/06/17 11:00 AM
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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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I would think that the oil life monitor would be able to determine if it's "severe service" and adjust accordingly. I've upgraded to the fram ultra filter. And using Pennzoil platinum for added protection. Ford says to follow the monitor, which will go up to 10k miles or up to 1 year. And that is using conventional oil. This sample was only 7 months. And it was cut short by the iolm to about 8000 miles rather then the max of 10k miles.

Re: 2016 F150 5.0L, 12889 km, Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 [Re: advocate] #4424153
06/06/17 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted By: advocate
I would think that the oil life monitor would be able to determine if it's "severe service" and adjust accordingly. I've upgraded to the fram ultra filter. And using Pennzoil platinum for added protection. Ford says to follow the monitor, which will go up to 10k miles or up to 1 year. And that is using conventional oil. This sample was only 7 months. And it was cut short by the iolm to about 8000 miles rather then the max of 10k miles.


I've had doubts that the IOLM on Ford gasoline engines was anything more than a mileage counter, but I guess maybe it does do some calculations. I'm glad to see that.

As was mentioned in other posts, it's a new engine shedding some extra metal. When you factor in the use of the truck and where/when it was being used, the higher numbers seem like a non issue at this point. See what it looks like after a summer oci and with the break in metals subsiding.

Last edited by dustyroads; 06/06/17 01:44 PM.

2013 F150 XLT 5.0 4X4 101k miles
Edge 5W-30 / Fram 10575
Re: 2016 F150 5.0L, 12889 km, Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 [Re: dustyroads] #4424575
06/06/17 09:59 PM
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Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted By: dustyroads
Originally Posted By: advocate
I would think that the oil life monitor would be able to determine if it's "severe service" and adjust accordingly. I've upgraded to the fram ultra filter. And using Pennzoil platinum for added protection. Ford says to follow the monitor, which will go up to 10k miles or up to 1 year. And that is using conventional oil. This sample was only 7 months. And it was cut short by the iolm to about 8000 miles rather then the max of 10k miles.


I've had doubts that the IOLM on Ford gasoline engines was anything more than a mileage counter, but I guess maybe it does do some calculations. I'm glad to see that.

As was mentioned in other posts, it's a new engine shedding some extra metal. When you factor in the use of the truck and where/when it was being used, the higher numbers seem like a non issue at this point. See what it looks like after a summer oci and with the break in metals subsiding.


It is not just a mileage counter. It would take into consideration colder temps during the Edmonton winter. Mine counts down faster in winter. And when I stored my F150 5.0 for 4 months last year, the IOLM lost 20% when I restarted it, without putting on any mileage during storage and without starting the engine during storage. I follow the IOLM with Pennzoil yellow bottle (which meets the Ford 945 spec) and change at 5%. No trouble or significant oil burning in nearly 100,000 miles.

Re: 2016 F150 5.0L, 12889 km, Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 [Re: advocate] #4424685
06/07/17 06:20 AM
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This is a new truck that has (essentially) 14k miles on it, with the last 7.5k being only it's third OCI ever.
And this new truck is seeing some drag racing, etc.
THIS UOA IS A COMBO OF BREAK-IN WEAR AND SOME SPIRITED DRIVING!

Some of you are Nervous Nellies for no good reason ...


Last edited by dnewton3; 06/07/17 06:23 AM.

The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: 2016 F150 5.0L, 12889 km, Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 [Re: dnewton3] #4424854
06/07/17 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
THIS UOA IS A COMBO OF BREAK-IN WEAR AND SOME SPIRITED DRIVING!

So what? Oil does not care about lyric and reasons, engine does not either. Oil is severely overrun. Period.


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2013 Toyota Camry XLE V6
2012 Honda Accord EX-L V6
Re: 2016 F150 5.0L, 12889 km, Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 [Re: advocate] #4424931
06/07/17 11:10 AM
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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Keep in mind too that there was absolutely 0 top up oil. It stayed within the hash marks. So this was a pretty accurate run on that oil. I could have topped up a little here and there maybe a cup at most. May have refreshened the additives a bit and shown a higher tbn and lower tan.

Re: 2016 F150 5.0L, 12889 km, Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 [Re: timeau] #4425674
06/08/17 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted By: timeau
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
THIS UOA IS A COMBO OF BREAK-IN WEAR AND SOME SPIRITED DRIVING!

So what? Oil does not care about lyric and reasons, engine does not either. Oil is severely overrun. Period.



What, pray tell, makes you think this oil is "overrun"? (My presumption is that you're being specific to this UOA, and not making a general statement).

It's too early to know the specific wear trends of this particular engine. But we do know that "new" engines will shed break-in metals. And that's what we see here.
So it's your statement that 7.5k miles is too long here? Or that if he would have changed oil sooner, the wear rates would have been different?

Other than the Fe and a slight bit of Al, there's nothing to indicate a cause for concern. Vis, FP, contamination all well in line with expectations and at desirable levels. What is "overrun" about this lube?


Last edited by dnewton3; 06/08/17 06:26 AM.

The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
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