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Re: hot shots secret fr3 [Re: RDY4WAR] #5140385 06/21/19 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
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From what I've read of the responses, no one has tried it, so their opinions are of little value.


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Brilliant !

Re: hot shots secret fr3 [Re: pupeperson] #5140395 06/21/19 06:25 PM
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From what I've read of the responses, no one has tried it, so their opinions are of little value.


Ok, I strongly recommend you try this product and then update the vast majority of us who will look on in suspense.

Re: hot shots secret fr3 [Re: jdjiii] #5144577 06/26/19 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jdjiii
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Originally Posted by pupeperson
From what I've read of the responses, no one has tried it, so their opinions are of little value.

That's a popular opinion here on BITOG, often expressed in additive discussions.

Considering the always subjective nature of the manufacturer's claims for the products I'd be inclined to agree.


Really funny how people who have not tried something down the question the most. Hot Shot Secret has Dyno test, etc on you tube on their FR3 product and quite a few testimonials on YouTube of people who have actually tried some of their products. I used Diesel Kleen in my 2018 Ram 2500 Cummins and it DID make a positive difference in the way the engine ran. I am going to try Hot Shot Secret EDT as soon as I finish the Diesel Kleen. I say try the stuff and see. Then you could post a response based on something other than sitting in a chair typing on this blog and about something with no knowledge. I am going to try the FR3 as it reduces friction and the EDT in place of the Diesel Kleen just to see if I will notice a difference. FR3 on the dyno had a 14 horse power increase (reduced friction).


Just playing devil's advocate here, but what were the dyno numbers before the FR3, and what were they WITH the FR3? Was the 14 HP difference greater than the statistical noise would potentially cause? Run two dyno runs on the same engine without changing lubes, 5 minutes apart, and you could realistically get a 14HP difference if the base HP was high enough.


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Re: hot shots secret fr3 [Re: SirTanon] #5144681 06/26/19 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SirTanon
Originally Posted by jdjiii
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Originally Posted by pupeperson
From what I've read of the responses, no one has tried it, so their opinions are of little value.

That's a popular opinion here on BITOG, often expressed in additive discussions.

Considering the always subjective nature of the manufacturer's claims for the products I'd be inclined to agree.


Really funny how people who have not tried something down the question the most. Hot Shot Secret has Dyno test, etc on you tube on their FR3 product and quite a few testimonials on YouTube of people who have actually tried some of their products. I used Diesel Kleen in my 2018 Ram 2500 Cummins and it DID make a positive difference in the way the engine ran. I am going to try Hot Shot Secret EDT as soon as I finish the Diesel Kleen. I say try the stuff and see. Then you could post a response based on something other than sitting in a chair typing on this blog and about something with no knowledge. I am going to try the FR3 as it reduces friction and the EDT in place of the Diesel Kleen just to see if I will notice a difference. FR3 on the dyno had a 14 horse power increase (reduced friction).


Just playing devil's advocate here, but what were the dyno numbers before the FR3, and what were they WITH the FR3? Was the 14 HP difference greater than the statistical noise would potentially cause? Run two dyno runs on the same engine without changing lubes, 5 minutes apart, and you could realistically get a 14HP difference if the base HP was high enough.


I can't remember which additive it was (frustrating me... its no longer sold) but years ago, they ran a dyno test on a ~500 hp 383ci small block Chevy and showed a 20+ hp increase with their additive. What they neglected to tell you is the first dyno pull was done on 20w-50 with a quart extra in the pan, and the second run, with the additive, was done on 0w-20 at a quart low and 50°F lower coolant and intake temps. "Picked up 20+ hp after adding our friction reducing product."

I've seen a 600 hp engine lose 30+ hp just from heat soaking. By that 10th dyno pull in a row, it's not happy.

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Re: hot shots secret fr3 [Re: pupeperson] #5169537 07/24/19 07:49 AM
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OP- just try and and see if it benefits you. This forum is full of guys that think motor oils are made the absolute best they can be from the blender and need NO additives to be better. These same guys also believe that the manual telling us all to use 0W20 oils is best for engine longevity and nothing to do with CAFE/mandated EPA reasons...

There are many additives out there that work and there are probably many more that don't This has caused a majority of folks to instantly call all of them "snake oil" Think Slick 50, duralube, and prolong days. Technology has come a long way and I personally love additives from folks like Lubrimoly, HotShots and Lubeguard. They work and I've proven it to myself several times so no need to prove it to others.


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Re: hot shots secret fr3 [Re: pupeperson] #5169878 07/24/19 03:28 PM
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The MSDS states it is 10% Trimethylolpropane Tripelargonate. The following link states that this is a triester with molecular formula: C33H62O6
https://sci-toys.com/scichem/jqp073/31351.html

The other 90% is listed as proprietary. It is rather expensive and similar in price per ounce of typical esters. I see it on Amazon for $32.95 for the larger size bottle of 32 ounces. That hurts its value proposition considerably because it would cost around $8 to 9$ in a 5 quart sump. That’s not extremely expensive but it is considerable.

Some of what their advertising says:
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FR3 Friction Reducer is a lubricity enhancing oil additive that increases the lubricating & wear reduction properties of the host oil. The product contains three proprietary synthetic lubricants that have unique lubricating properties even compared to PAO or mPAO synthetics of the same viscosity. The anti-wear component of the formula is an exclusive carbon nano particle that fills in microscopic irregularities on the machined surface. The synergy of these components extend the base oil performance in shear stability, oxidation stability, film strength & especially friction reduction.

Re: hot shots secret fr3 [Re: pupeperson] #5169886 07/24/19 03:34 PM
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Or... or... just replace 1 quart of that 5 quart sump with a quart of something like this for about 60% cheaper. PAO/ester base oil with 1900+ ppm trinuclear MoDTC and won't dilute the rest of your additives in the process.


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Re: hot shots secret fr3 [Re: pupeperson] #5169911 07/24/19 03:53 PM
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I've tried two bottles of the 8oz stuff, one in my 05 Outback and one in my mom's '18 Forester without her knowledge so it didn't skew any subjective opinions. Last OCI with no FR3 was PP 0W20, OCI with FR3 was Zepro Eco Medalist. There was literally no change in MPG over the 6k OCIs in comparison (she's under warranty), at most maybe 0.1mpg in favor of the Zepro/FR3. After a couple weeks my mom did tell me that the engine seemed a little quieter, and what did I do to it. I attribute all of that likely to the loads of moly in the Zepro rather than anything with the FR3, since I did not notice any change whatsoever when it was in my Outback.

I won't be buying any more FR3.


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RDY4WAR, yeah I would lean more toward using that motor oil as an additive than the Hot Shots product. MoDTC has proven itself to be an excellent additive. I wish some company would sell it in concentrated form without any other additives mixed in. It should just be MoDTC in some 10 cSt at 100C oil capable of keeping it in suspension. If some dispersants are needed, include them too.

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Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
Or... or... just replace 1 quart of that 5 quart sump with a quart of something like this for about 60% cheaper. PAO/ester base oil with 1900+ ppm trinuclear MoDTC and won't dilute the rest of your additives in the process.


What exactly is this? Maybe I’m just needing sleep And am missing something


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Or... or... just replace 1 quart of that 5 quart sump with a quart of something like this for about 60% cheaper. PAO/ester base oil with 1900+ ppm trinuclear MoDTC and won't dilute the rest of your additives in the process.


What exactly is this? Maybe I’m just needing sleep And am missing something

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Re: hot shots secret fr3 [Re: RDY4WAR] #5178236 08/03/19 01:33 PM
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Is that what Billy and the boys swear by down at the track?


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Originally Posted by kschachn
Is that what Billy and the boys swear by down at the track?


It gets the job done...

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Re: hot shots secret fr3 [Re: pupeperson] #5184874 08/12/19 09:01 AM
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So after reading all this, would it be safe to assume that a couple oz. of tcw-3 in the tank here and there are probably just as effective?


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Re: hot shots secret fr3 [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #5275875 11/23/19 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SubieRubyRoo
I've tried two bottles of the 8oz stuff, one in my 05 Outback and one in my mom's '18 Forester without her knowledge so it didn't skew any subjective opinions. Last OCI with no FR3 was PP 0W20, OCI with FR3 was Zepro Eco Medalist. There was literally no change in MPG over the 6k OCIs in comparison (she's under warranty), at most maybe 0.1mpg in favor of the Zepro/FR3. After a couple weeks my mom did tell me that the engine seemed a little quieter, and what did I do to it. I attribute all of that likely to the loads of moly in the Zepro rather than anything with the FR3, since I did not notice any change whatsoever when it was in my Outback.

I won't be buying any more FR3.



The problem with your test is your changed the brand of oil used for the second test.


If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.
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