Lucas Extreme Duty CLP?

[billt460]

Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
So there's a new, safe formula for Hoppes #9?....... hahahaha, quit lying, will ya'?


Someone tells you what you don't want to hear, and right away "they're lying". In case you may not have noticed, it doesn't even smell the same, and hasn't for about 10 years. As always, Google is your friend.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Hoppes%239+formula+has+been+changed

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Why would I google a gun cleaner that smells up the house - enough to drive wife and kids away.... then I must wear protective glove when applying it? Same M.O. with your motor oil.

Then you-the-poster that stands behind all this toxicity complains about another product's color changes and says the prices for these much safer products cost too much?

You paid $400+ for the gun and you can't spend another 50-$100 over the next twenty years to clean and oil it without the toxicity? You paid 25+K for your vehicle and don't get it washed? I'll bet you do. Can't stand to pay $5 for the 7-8 gallons of water and 1/2oz of soap they use at the car wash?

 

[billt460]

Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Why would I google a gun cleaner that smells up the house.


To straighten out your head for calling me a liar, saying they didn't change it. They did. Unless your just too young to remember.

 

[billt460]

Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
then I must wear protective glove when applying it?


You are the only person I've ever met in 45 years of shooting, that wears gloves to use Hoppes #9. You get the paranoid award, with no runner up.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

I'm not the only one, not by any means. Take all the risks you want and use that oil money savings this week on a big, fat ice cream cone. You probably eat the Double Chocolate stuff, since you don;t seem to care about your good health.

 

[billt460]

Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
I'm not the only one, not by any means. Take all the risks you want and use that oil money savings this week on a big, fat ice cream cone. You probably eat the Double Chocolate stuff, since you don;t seem to care about your good health.


So now you're worried about ice cream poisoning your body too? You must be a real basket case! Do you wear a mask in public? How the he!! can you possibly enjoy shooting?

 

[bubbatime]

I like turtles.

 

[billt460]

Originally Posted By: bubbatime
I like turtles.


Careful there Bubba. You'll die young!

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Ws6


This is your Comsol D-40.
http://www.cometchemical.com/MSDS/D40.pdf

This is Kerosene:
http://waterocket.explorer.free.fr/properties_of_kerosene.htm

I would direct you to look at the flash point. That is one readily visible difference in the chemicals.


You looked up a generic kerosene with a COMPLETELY different CAS #. We already went over this, there are various grades of Kerosene just like there are various grades of gasoline. That does not make them more or less Kerosene!

If we are trying to be intellectually honesty here, compare the Comsol D-40 to one of the others I listed with the same CAS # like:

Jet A Aviation Fuel:
http://www.cpchem.com/msds/100000014588_SDS_US_EN.PDF
Flash: 37.8C:
Autoignition: 210C

Comsol D-40:
Flash: 42C
Autoignition: 232C

Shell Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated light
http://www.shell.com/business-customers/...47-8-str-en.pdf
Flash: 66C
Autoignition: 220C

HISTOCHOICE CLEARING AGENT
https://www.emsdiasum.com/microscopy/technical/msds/64114.pdf
Flash: 55C
Autoignition: 210C

LPA-170 Solvent
http://www.solventsandpetroleum.com/uploads/6/0/3/7/60372849/lpa170.pdf
Flash: 79C
Autoignition: 231C

DISTILLATES (PETROLEUM), HYDROTREATED LIGHT
http://www.inchem.org/documents/icsc/icsc/eics1379.htm
Flash: 66C
Autoignition: 220C

Safeclear
https://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/89683.htm
Flash: 61C
Autoignition: N/A

Aviation Kerosene
http://sites.petrobras.com.br/minisite/reach/pt/..%5Cdownloads%5Cfichas-tecnicas%5CIngles%5CPEL%5CAviation-Kerosene.pdf
Flash: 40C (closed cup)
Autoignition: 238C

Mineral Spirits
http://megaloid.ca/MSDS/Mineral Spirits.pdf
Flash: >38C
Autoignition: 229C

142 Solvent
http://megaloid.ca/MSDS/142 Solvent.pdf
Flash: >61C
Autoignition: 220C

Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon
https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon TR.pdf
Flash: 80C
Autoignition: 254C


Take a look at this table from Citgo:
https://www.citgo.com/CITGOforYourBusiness/Petrochemicals/ProductInformationPetrochemicals.jsp

Look specifically for CAS # 64742-47-8. You will see there is a range of gravity and Distillation temperature as well as the number of differently named chemicals all wearing that same CAS #. There is a range of flash points from 44C to 79C. There is also some small variance in Paraffins and Cycloparaffins, however that appears to have no affect on flash point. The Flash point corresponds with the Distillation temperature.

You will also note they all have aromatics listed as
On the other hand, if we look up the CAS # of the product you linked to we find:
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0366.html

Quote:
Synonyms & Trade Names Fuel Oil No. 1, Range oil [Note: A refined petroleum solvent (predominantly C9-C16), which typically is 25% normal paraffins, 11% branched paraffins, 30% monocycloparaffins, 12% dicycloparaffins, 1% tricycloparaffins, 16% mononuclear aromatics & 5% dinuclear aromatics.]


You'll see that this CAS # has aromatics in it. It also has very different levels of paraffins and cycloparaffins making it a different product in the Kerosene family and these differences are why it has a different CAS #.


I'm not a tribologist, but you made my point for me. While Lucas may be mixing something with the same CAS#, and we can argue semantics all day, it is my opinion that it may well perform better than just randomly purchased kerosene due to some nuance about how it interacts with their formula. That was my point, anyway.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Ws6


I'm not a tribologist, but you made my point for me. While Lucas may be mixing something with the same CAS#, and we can argue semantics all day, it is my opinion that it may well perform better than just randomly purchased kerosene due to some nuance about how it interacts with their formula. That was my point, anyway.


I think your point has perhaps evolved along the way

It isn't really semantics. You buy jet fuel A with the same CAS #, it would interchange with the product Lucas is using, particularly if you look at the chart I linked to as to the rather specific range for that CAS # and the fact that they are ALL non-aromatic with many other aspects being close to identical.

Yes, if you went and purchased the Kerosene YOU linked to with the different CAS #, which was relatively high in aromatics and had a different composition (but of course still falls in the kerosene family) then there may be a difference. That product is more volatile and likely has some other differences in performance when compared to the specific range of products covered by the CAS # we are discussing and Lucas is using. However, that was never my argument, which has always revolved around the CAS # that Lucas is using. This is a specific range of Kerosene family products with very little variance between them such as nary identical composition, non-aromatic....etc. The difference in the range is primarily a variance in flash point, which is relative to the distillation temperature. Everything else lines up.

Would another product in the Kerosene family with a different CAS # work? I would imagine so. This isn't a very specialized application. However, one of the reasons I imagine they've chosen this product is the lack of aromatics.

At the end of the day, kerosene is an inexpensive and effective solvent. There may be reasons why a company will choose a specific variant from that family like volatility, aromatic content....etc but that doesn't change the fact it is a still kerosene, which can go by many, MANY names, as we've explored in this thread

 

[Triple_Se7en]

After this discussion, we will probably see someone try his tribulating....

40% Canola Oil
25% Motor Oil
20% ATF
15% Kerosene

Shake well..... 5 minutes at least. Then shake the firearm afterwards.... once a day for thirty seconds. Keep the blend at optimum levels.

...... or something similar percentage-wise. Gotta' save that dime and the heck with kids and wife in the house too. Forget the nitrile gloves also. Cancer will never get me..... so they say.

 

[bubbatime]

I had the opportunity to use some Lucas Extreme Gun Grease today. It looks like, smells like, and acts like, #2 wheel bearing grease. Green in color, so whatever wheel bearing grease Lucas uses that is green, I suspect is also bottled up as their "extreme gun grease" Perhaps their marine grease or X-tra heavy duty grease?

According to reviews on the net, the grease used to come with a grape odor. I can say without a doubt the sample I used had no grape odor. It smelled pretty terribly actually, like gear oil.

 

[billt460]

Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
...... or something similar percentage-wise. Gotta' save that dime and the heck with kids and wife in the house too. Forget the nitrile gloves also. Cancer will never get me..... so they say.


After listening to you carry on about health risks and cancer, it's amazing anyone ever lived past 30, before Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency.

 

[wwillson]

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