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#4398363 - 05/07/17 09:57 AM FRAM extraguard really is garbage - check this out
tj90 Offline


Registered: 02/19/08
Posts: 32
Loc: california
I was blown away when I saw missing filter element on this oil filter. I cant believe FRAM allowed this to slip by their quality control. I doesnt look like the filter element eroded away - it was just missing altogether. There were no glues or anything. Stinks to think that engine didnt have any filtering for 7k miles. Disappointed.





Edited by tj90 (05/07/17 10:11 AM)

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#4398365 - 05/07/17 10:01 AM Re: FRAM extraguard really is garbage - check this out [Re: tj90]
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New purolator copy?
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#4398368 - 05/07/17 10:04 AM Re: FRAM extraguard really is garbage - check this out [Re: tj90]
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It's the orange one


Edited by wwillson (05/08/17 06:42 AM)
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#4398369 - 05/07/17 10:05 AM Re: FRAM extraguard really is garbage - check this out [Re: tj90]
jorton Offline


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Loc: San Antonio, TX
frown Sucks. Understandable an event like this can influence someones attitude towards a brand name. Perfectly OK.
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#4398371 - 05/07/17 10:09 AM Re: FRAM extraguard really is garbage - check this out [Re: Chris142]
tj90 Offline


Registered: 02/19/08
Posts: 32
Loc: california
Originally Posted By: Chris142
New purolator copy?

Not sure - Im sure it was purchased at wally world April 2016. I think it was before they rolled out the new ultra synthetic and high mileage branding.


Edited by tj90 (05/07/17 10:13 AM)

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#4398378 - 05/07/17 10:26 AM Re: FRAM extraguard really is garbage - check this out [Re: tj90]
spasm3 Offline


Registered: 05/30/10
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Loc: North Carolina
I would contact fram about that, keep photos and the filter. If you have an oil related engine failure down the road, i'd ask fram to pay the costs. I'm not sure i'd send them the filter unless they agree in writing to cover your engine to 100k. If you give them the filter, you have no proof. I would contact them and start a paper/ email trail.
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#4398381 - 05/07/17 10:29 AM Re: FRAM extraguard really is garbage - check this out [Re: spasm3]
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Originally Posted By: spasm3
I would contact fram about that, keep photos and the filter. If you have an oil related engine failure down the road, i'd ask fram to pay the costs. I'm not sure i'd send them the filter unless they agree in writing to cover your engine to 100k. If you give them the filter, you have no proof. I would contact them and start a paper/ email trail.


Great point. Contact member MOTORKING about this as I bet he would be able to help you
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#4398383 - 05/07/17 10:31 AM Re: FRAM extraguard really is garbage - check this out [Re: tj90]
5AcresAndAFool Offline


Registered: 12/18/16
Posts: 421
Loc: Indiana
Here is my question, this should not happen at all, however there will always be defects in manufacturing. The question is how common is this? 1 in 100k, 1 in 10 million?

What are the odds be that that defect would be caught? Not many people cut their oil filters open.

I would say that it is a more common defect than many would like to think OR you need to go buy a lotto ticket.

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#4398389 - 05/07/17 10:43 AM Re: FRAM extraguard really is garbage - check this out [Re: tj90]
oil_film_movies Offline


Registered: 06/13/16
Posts: 2559
Loc: MN
Its why cartridge oil filters are a good idea. No can to hide inside, you can see all, and inspect, before installing.

Not to accuse tj90 unfairly, but this almost seems like a fake. Sorry, it just doesn't smell right. People might do this for fake-fun. I DO admit its possible for production to screw up like that though! They make them fast on machines, and only take samples every now and then for a full quality control inspection.

I've never seen the FRAMPA commercial before. Its almost like the old Castrol "Think with your Dipstick" campaign a few years ago. That is a cool old actor, Jonathan Banks. I remember him from Beverly Hills Cop in 1984, almost always playing a bad guy.


Edited by oil_film_movies (05/07/17 10:46 AM)

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#4398391 - 05/07/17 10:48 AM Re: FRAM extraguard really is garbage - check this out [Re: tj90]
dwendt44 Offline


Registered: 05/17/06
Posts: 3968
Loc: Central Wisconsin
IF there WAS media there to begin with wouldn't there
be an impression left in the adhesive on the end caps?

Just asking.
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#4398392 - 05/07/17 10:48 AM Re: FRAM extraguard really is garbage - check this out [Re: tj90]
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Registered: 12/30/06
Posts: 18158
Loc: Dallas,Tx USA
I always take the filter out of the box and scrutinize it really well before purchase,looking into the holes to see the media pleats,making sure they look nice and pretty!
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#4398401 - 05/07/17 10:55 AM Re: FRAM extraguard really is garbage - check this out [Re: tj90]
tenderloin Offline


Registered: 12/16/02
Posts: 6521
Loc: Huntington Beach, CA
Well...at least what media is there is not torn.... eek

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#4398408 - 05/07/17 11:08 AM Re: FRAM extraguard really is garbage - check this out [Re: tj90]
Kuato Offline


Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 7094
Loc: Colorado
Looks to me like the machine that assembles them missed a step; that is, where the two ends where the media ends are bound together....
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#4398409 - 05/07/17 11:08 AM Re: FRAM extraguard really is garbage - check this out [Re: tj90]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 24574
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
So, am I seeing this correctly? It's not an "empty can," but 2/3 to 3/4 of the circumference has media, and the remainder has no media?
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#4398412 - 05/07/17 11:12 AM Re: FRAM extraguard really is garbage - check this out [Re: tj90]
bullwinkle Offline


Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 7664
Loc: Cincinnati, OH, USA
There was never any media glued to those endcaps-Jay Buckley/motorking will be VERY interested to see that one! Good news is, the media was never there, so it couldn't have been pulled into the engine. It would be just like running with no filter, unless you were driving in a dust storm, I bet very little permanent harm was done.
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