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#4389559 - 04/26/17 03:18 PM Mobil 1 0W-20 Annual Protection VOA, TBN/TAN
btanchors Offline


Registered: 04/10/04
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Nothing to see here, folks, move along....

I present for your consideration a VOA of Mobil 1 0W-20 Annual Protection. Looks surprisingly normal. I suspect whatever it is that is different does not show up in a VOA.


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#4389564 - 04/26/17 03:21 PM Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Annual Protection VOA, TBN/TAN [Re: btanchors]
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Did you compare with regular M1 and AFE?
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#4389567 - 04/26/17 03:24 PM Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Annual Protection VOA, TBN/TAN [Re: btanchors]
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Thanks for that. I'm hoping for a reprieve from 4 pages of complaining and speculation.

First step in finding out if there is any magic to this juice.
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#4389569 - 04/26/17 03:27 PM Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Annual Protection VOA, TBN/TAN [Re: btanchors]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
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You're right.

Originally Posted By: btanchors
Nothing to see here, folks, move along....


Thanks for posting. I won't be using it.
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#4389572 - 04/26/17 03:31 PM Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Annual Protection VOA, TBN/TAN [Re: btanchors]
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Thank you very much for this oil analysis.
I have to say it, if I was to go by just these numbers, I wouldn't buy this oil if it was $2/quart.

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#4389578 - 04/26/17 03:34 PM Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Annual Protection VOA, TBN/TAN [Re: btanchors]
CharlieBauer Offline


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Interesting how low the TBN is considering this is a calcium and magnesium formulation.

Phosphorous and Zinc are about 200ppm lower than Mobil's published specs:

https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-specs-guide.pdf

Official viscosity is 8.7cst vs 8.4cst per Blackstone on your sample. Flashpoint matches.
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#4389592 - 04/26/17 03:52 PM Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Annual Protection VOA, TBN/TAN [Re: btanchors]
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I had a feeling this is what was going to show up. The elements that Mobil uses to make this the AP oil do not show up on a analysis. Judging the oil by its additives is a losing proposition.
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#4389594 - 04/26/17 03:54 PM Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Annual Protection VOA, TBN/TAN [Re: btanchors]
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TBN of 8?!
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#4389606 - 04/26/17 04:12 PM Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Annual Protection VOA, TBN/TAN [Re: PimTac]
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
I had a feeling this is what was going to show up. The elements that Mobil uses to make this the AP oil do not show up on a analysis. Judging the oil by its additives is a losing proposition.
True; but a TBN of 8 is less than stellar for an oil that supposedly is now for annual service, which tends to suggest the former M1 was not up to the task and I certain it was.

OP - thanks for the VOA.
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#4389614 - 04/26/17 04:21 PM Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Annual Protection VOA, TBN/TAN [Re: stro_cruiser]
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Originally Posted By: stro_cruiser
TBN of 8?!


Exactly... ! crzy

Chevron Supreme Conventional oils have a TBN of 8.4/8.5

https://cglapps.chevron.com/msdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=205060&docFormat=PDF

What is the magic juice in Annual Protection that isn't showing up on the VOA ?

And thank you OP for posting this.


Edited by Bud_One (04/26/17 04:24 PM)
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#4389635 - 04/26/17 04:39 PM Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Annual Protection VOA, TBN/TAN [Re: btanchors]
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Forgot to say, btanchors, many thanks for the VOA smile
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#4389640 - 04/26/17 04:43 PM Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Annual Protection VOA, TBN/TAN [Re: btanchors]
bandz7 Offline


Registered: 03/15/09
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Loc: Pylesville, MD
Wow! Absolutely not what I was expecting for a $12qt oil!!
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#4389656 - 04/26/17 04:59 PM Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Annual Protection VOA, TBN/TAN [Re: btanchors]
A_Harman Offline


Registered: 10/01/10
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Loc: Michigan
With a starting TBN of 8.0, TBN retention must be incredible.
And the Phosphorous is below the SN minimum of 600.


Edited by A_Harman (04/26/17 05:00 PM)
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#4389663 - 04/26/17 05:06 PM Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Annual Protection VOA, TBN/TAN [Re: btanchors]
btanchors Offline


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I wonder if the low additives on this VOA might be an attempt at keeping Sulphated Ash low. But then it also raises the question at how good this formulation would be at minimizing wear.

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#4389670 - 04/26/17 05:09 PM Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 Annual Protection VOA, TBN/TAN [Re: btanchors]
demarpaint Offline


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Unless there's some real magic blended into this oil that doesn't show up in a UOA, EP is looking better all the time.
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