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#4388923 - 04/25/17 07:42 PM Lifetime replacement
ChiTDI Offline


Registered: 12/19/03
Posts: 2202
Loc: Chicago IL
I'm approaching 45k and five years in a '12 Avalon, "sealed trans".
Debating using the WS from Toyota vs. Redline D6.
Friend has an exchange machine, so only the leveling at correct temperature will be the task.
He is a retired Toyota tech, so the work will be straightforward. So he tells me.

My hesitation on the D6 is different thermal properties giving a false full reading. The two fluids may not expand at the same rate or temp.
Worth the worry?

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#4388927 - 04/25/17 07:48 PM Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: ChiTDI]
SatinSilver Offline


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 9760
Loc: OH
Since the trans service is so fussy, I'd stick with the oem procedure and fluid. Here's a college instructor talking about the fluid level check procedure. Only 35 min. video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNcecuGzTDg
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#4388945 - 04/25/17 08:06 PM Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: ChiTDI]
Jimzz Offline


Registered: 10/03/14
Posts: 1109
Loc: NoVA
I'm not a fan of Toyotas fluid. I believe its still made by Mobil. I have found it does not seem to hold up as well as aftermarket Syn fluids.

I've used Maxlife and Havoline Multi-Syn fluid in many Toyota trans.
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#4389264 - 04/26/17 09:54 AM Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: ChiTDI]
bubbatime Offline


Registered: 03/18/08
Posts: 5460
Loc: South Florida
Did it shift nice and perform well for the first 45K miles? If so, stick with factory recommended fluid.
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#4389267 - 04/26/17 10:02 AM Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: ChiTDI]
zzyzzx Offline


Registered: 05/18/12
Posts: 4288
Loc: Baltimore, Maryland, USA
What's the price difference between OE and aftermarket fluid?

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#4389323 - 04/26/17 11:07 AM Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: ChiTDI]
Y_K Offline


Registered: 05/29/09
Posts: 2089
Loc: WA (USA)
If you want to go exotic ways, ENEOS Sustina has WS certified product. In my experience for my equipment and application, WS held up fine for 400k miles. YMMV

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#4389392 - 04/26/17 12:12 PM Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: ChiTDI]
blupupher Offline


Registered: 08/27/04
Posts: 4337
Loc: Katy, Republic of Texas
My xB is a WS fluid vehicle, but has a drain plug so is easy to do a drain and fill on.
After reading about the fluids others have used for WS transmissions, I chose Maxlife ATF when I did the drain and fill @ 30,000 miles. It seems to shift a little smoother now, and no problems yet (but only about 7,000 miles since I did it).
I plan on using some Havoline Multi Vehicle Syn @ 60,000 miles (I have 4 qts left over from the 12 qt case when I did my mom's Vue).

If your doing a complete change, the WS would probably be just fine (so long as you do it again in another 30-40,000 miles).
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#4389839 - 04/26/17 08:01 PM Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: bubbatime]
ChiTDI Offline


Registered: 12/19/03
Posts: 2202
Loc: Chicago IL
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Did it shift nice and perform well for the first 45K miles? If so, stick with factory recommended fluid.


Yes, and that is another reason I'm leaning towards the WS.

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#4389841 - 04/26/17 08:02 PM Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: zzyzzx]
ChiTDI Offline


Registered: 12/19/03
Posts: 2202
Loc: Chicago IL
Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
What's the price difference between OE and aftermarket fluid?


About 50% more for the synthetic.

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#4389987 - 04/26/17 11:00 PM Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: Y_K]
jj51702 Offline


Registered: 10/07/16
Posts: 190
Loc: California
Double post


Edited by jj51702 (04/26/17 11:02 PM)

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#4389989 - 04/26/17 11:01 PM Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: Y_K]
jj51702 Offline


Registered: 10/07/16
Posts: 190
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: Y_K
If you want to go exotic ways, ENEOS Sustina has WS certified product. In my experience for my equipment and application, WS held up fine for 400k miles. YMMV


What kind of Toyota did u have where u ran the atf fluid for 400k?

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#4390146 - 04/27/17 07:58 AM Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: Y_K]
ChiTDI Offline


Registered: 12/19/03
Posts: 2202
Loc: Chicago IL
Thanks for the thought on the ENEOS products, I'm not familiar with them. 400k !

This car is driven by a woman in stop and go, short mileage, urban driving, with no regard to care.
It is a task to get the car from her for service. When I do get it, I like to do as much as I can with the right product and procedure.
I could see this car being in the family for twenty years, so preemptive service is not a waste.
I'm thinking trans service now at 45k, followed by a repeat in another four to five years (40k) using WS as the most reliable choice.
Thanks all for your thoughts.

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#4390171 - 04/27/17 08:32 AM Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: ChiTDI]
Vladiator Offline


Registered: 01/04/16
Posts: 722
Loc: NC
When I got my xB at 72k miles in August '16 - the tranny shifted funny and harsh. Fluid was pitch black. As mentioned above - this xb requires a WS fluid. Changed with Maxlife synthetic ATF. Shifting improved, but fluid was still dark. In 5k miles I changed it again. Every change only 3.4 quarts get replaced. Full capacity is 10 quarts or more probably. Not 100% sure on that... So after the change shifting improved even more, but after a couple trips to the mountains loaded up - the transmission feel&performance went back to square one. Then I changed the fluid one more time and added 10oz bottle of Lubegard Platinum ATF additive. Vehicle is at 90k miles now, shifting a WHOLE LOT better than it ever did, and the fluid stays nice and pink. I blame Maxlife+Lubegard Platinum for this success. Long live Scion xB!
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#4390215 - 04/27/17 09:28 AM Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: jj51702]
Y_K Offline


Registered: 05/29/09
Posts: 2089
Loc: WA (USA)
2005 Landcruiser. My son ran his 4R up to 436k on initial fill.

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#4565606 - 11/06/17 07:10 AM Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: bubbatime]
ChiTDI Offline


Registered: 12/19/03
Posts: 2202
Loc: Chicago IL
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Did it shift nice and perform well for the first 45K miles? If so, stick with factory recommended fluid.


Your suggestion was taken and I'm grateful I did.
Car shifts smooth as silk. Tech had WS that he wanted to get rid of, transfer machine, and threw in a free p/s fluid exchange.
My lucky day.
Thanks bubba.

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