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Lifetime replacement #4388923
04/25/17 07:42 PM
04/25/17 07:42 PM
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Chicago IL
ChiTDI Offline OP
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I'm approaching 45k and five years in a '12 Avalon, "sealed trans".
Debating using the WS from Toyota vs. Redline D6.
Friend has an exchange machine, so only the leveling at correct temperature will be the task.
He is a retired Toyota tech, so the work will be straightforward. So he tells me.

My hesitation on the D6 is different thermal properties giving a false full reading. The two fluids may not expand at the same rate or temp.
Worth the worry?

Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: ChiTDI] #4388927
04/25/17 07:48 PM
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Since the trans service is so fussy, I'd stick with the oem procedure and fluid. Here's a college instructor talking about the fluid level check procedure. Only 35 min. video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNcecuGzTDg

Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: ChiTDI] #4388945
04/25/17 08:06 PM
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I'm not a fan of Toyotas fluid. I believe its still made by Mobil. I have found it does not seem to hold up as well as aftermarket Syn fluids.

I've used Maxlife and Havoline Multi-Syn fluid in many Toyota trans.


yup
Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: ChiTDI] #4389264
04/26/17 09:54 AM
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South Florida
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Did it shift nice and perform well for the first 45K miles? If so, stick with factory recommended fluid.


17 Chrysler Pacifica Mobil 1 5W30
13 Yamaha XT250 Valv MC 10W40
12 Suzuki S40 Rotella 15W40
10 Acura TSX 2.4 PZL Plat 5W30
06 GMC Sierra Nextgen 10W30


Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: ChiTDI] #4389267
04/26/17 10:02 AM
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Baltimore, Maryland, USA
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What's the price difference between OE and aftermarket fluid?

Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: ChiTDI] #4389323
04/26/17 11:07 AM
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If you want to go exotic ways, ENEOS Sustina has WS certified product. In my experience for my equipment and application, WS held up fine for 400k miles. YMMV


"This forum talking about 4wd systems is like when other forums talk about oil."
Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: ChiTDI] #4389392
04/26/17 12:12 PM
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My xB is a WS fluid vehicle, but has a drain plug so is easy to do a drain and fill on.
After reading about the fluids others have used for WS transmissions, I chose Maxlife ATF when I did the drain and fill @ 30,000 miles. It seems to shift a little smoother now, and no problems yet (but only about 7,000 miles since I did it).
I plan on using some Havoline Multi Vehicle Syn @ 60,000 miles (I have 4 qts left over from the 12 qt case when I did my mom's Vue).

If your doing a complete change, the WS would probably be just fine (so long as you do it again in another 30-40,000 miles).


2012 Scion xB: QSUD 0w-20/CQ Blue/5k OCI
2002 Ford F150: GTX HM 5w-20/EcoGard Syn/1yr OCI
1994 Honda VT1100: Peak 15w-40/PSL/2500 mile OCI

Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: bubbatime] #4389839
04/26/17 08:01 PM
04/26/17 08:01 PM
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Chicago IL
ChiTDI Offline OP
ChiTDI  Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Did it shift nice and perform well for the first 45K miles? If so, stick with factory recommended fluid.


Yes, and that is another reason I'm leaning towards the WS.

Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: zzyzzx] #4389841
04/26/17 08:02 PM
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Chicago IL
ChiTDI Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
What's the price difference between OE and aftermarket fluid?


About 50% more for the synthetic.

Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: Y_K] #4389987
04/26/17 11:00 PM
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Double post

Last edited by jj51702; 04/26/17 11:02 PM.
Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: Y_K] #4389989
04/26/17 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: Y_K
If you want to go exotic ways, ENEOS Sustina has WS certified product. In my experience for my equipment and application, WS held up fine for 400k miles. YMMV


What kind of Toyota did u have where u ran the atf fluid for 400k?

Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: Y_K] #4390146
04/27/17 07:58 AM
04/27/17 07:58 AM
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Chicago IL
ChiTDI Offline OP
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Thanks for the thought on the ENEOS products, I'm not familiar with them. 400k !

This car is driven by a woman in stop and go, short mileage, urban driving, with no regard to care.
It is a task to get the car from her for service. When I do get it, I like to do as much as I can with the right product and procedure.
I could see this car being in the family for twenty years, so preemptive service is not a waste.
I'm thinking trans service now at 45k, followed by a repeat in another four to five years (40k) using WS as the most reliable choice.
Thanks all for your thoughts.

Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: ChiTDI] #4390171
04/27/17 08:32 AM
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When I got my xB at 72k miles in August '16 - the tranny shifted funny and harsh. Fluid was pitch black. As mentioned above - this xb requires a WS fluid. Changed with Maxlife synthetic ATF. Shifting improved, but fluid was still dark. In 5k miles I changed it again. Every change only 3.4 quarts get replaced. Full capacity is 10 quarts or more probably. Not 100% sure on that... So after the change shifting improved even more, but after a couple trips to the mountains loaded up - the transmission feel&performance went back to square one. Then I changed the fluid one more time and added 10oz bottle of Lubegard Platinum ATF additive. Vehicle is at 90k miles now, shifting a WHOLE LOT better than it ever did, and the fluid stays nice and pink. I blame Maxlife+Lubegard Platinum for this success. Long live Scion xB!


2000 Lexus GS300-361k
1999 Lexus GS400-213k
2006 Toyota Camry-187k
2006 Toyota Highlander Hybrid-125k
2009 Scion xB-120k
2013 VW Tiguan-120k
2009 Toyota Tacoma-60k
Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: jj51702] #4390215
04/27/17 09:28 AM
04/27/17 09:28 AM
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2005 Landcruiser. My son ran his 4R up to 436k on initial fill.


"This forum talking about 4wd systems is like when other forums talk about oil."
Re: Lifetime replacement [Re: bubbatime] #4565606
11/06/17 08:10 AM
11/06/17 08:10 AM
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Chicago IL
ChiTDI Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Did it shift nice and perform well for the first 45K miles? If so, stick with factory recommended fluid.


Your suggestion was taken and I'm grateful I did.
Car shifts smooth as silk. Tech had WS that he wanted to get rid of, transfer machine, and threw in a free p/s fluid exchange.
My lucky day.
Thanks bubba.

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