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Non linear oil consumption #4352055
03/12/17 04:25 PM
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My toyota kluger aka highlander with the 3.3L v6 has experienced about 1.5L of oil consumption in approx 1500 kms. I had zero consumption at 4000kms then in the last 1500-1600 it must have consumed 1.5L because only 3.5L out of 5 came out during oil change.

I had become complacent and didn't check oil levels after 4000kms as there was no loss.

This was using a conserving semi syn 5w30. Nulon was the brand. Currently using castrol edge A3/B4 which is a stout 30 grade. 700kms so far with no consumption.

People often say things about pcv or piston rings etc. But no oil loss to quick oil loss seems like some sort of oil breakdown to me. Any one have some real knowledge about this phenomenon they can enlighten me with?

Last edited by KL31; 03/12/17 04:25 PM.

95 MX-3 2.5L|Shell Helix Ultra 5W40|Wix 51356
04 Focus 1.8L|Wesfil Cooper WZ63|Valvoline MST 5W30
05 Kluger 3.3L|Wesfil Cooper WZ418|Magnatec 10W30 Semi Syn
Re: Non linear oil consumption [Re: KL31] #4352059
03/12/17 04:29 PM
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I have nothing scientific to add, but it's something I've seen often over the years on my own vehicles. Like you, I've always assumed it's the oil breaking down, although I'd hope Nulon would still be going strong after only 5,000km in a Kluger. Be interesting to see how the Edge performs.


MY16 Mitsubishi Outlander 2.2 diesel, 56,000km - Castrol 5w30
2006 Ford Falcon 4.0, 138,000km - Penrite Vantage 15w40, Ryco filter
Re: Non linear oil consumption [Re: KL31] #4352061
03/12/17 04:33 PM
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I noticed that with my Liberty on Castrol HM. Although I'm not sure how much of the loss was burning or leaking as it does leak a moderate amount. Regardless, it wouldn't use any for the first 1000 miles of the OCI and then it'd drop pretty quick.


15 Jeep KL Limited V6: Formula Shell 5W20
07 LR3 SE V8: Maxlife 5W30
05 Jeep KJ Limited: PHM 5W30
96 Jeep XJ Country: STP HM 5W30 (winter)
Re: Non linear oil consumption [Re: HoosierJeeper] #4352071
03/12/17 04:44 PM
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I have seen the same behaviour some years ago with some 10w-40 in different vehicles (Saab 900 turbo 16, Mercedes 560 SEL): absolutely NO oil consumption for the first 5000km, then suddenly 1-1.5 liters during the next 5000.

The Merc had an oil pressure gauge, and after 5000km on the oil you could see idle oil pressures lowering a bit. So I guess it was just cheap VII shearing down... and I adopted shorter OCI.


Life ist too short for boring cars.
Re: Non linear oil consumption [Re: KL31] #4352099
03/12/17 05:24 PM
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Something we should all probably do (including dealerships and quik lube shacks) is to read the oil level BEFORE draining. That would/could tell us so much. And for those taking it in, they could relay to the customer that information if considered helpful.

Re: Non linear oil consumption [Re: KL31] #4352115
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My Navara (diesel) typically doesn't move in the first 6,500km, needs a litre at 7,500 and could use 0.5L at OCI time.

Re: Non linear oil consumption [Re: KL31] #4352313
03/12/17 09:27 PM
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Are you sure it's not a measuring issue on the drain?


2012 Chevy Cruze LT 1.4T - 59k - Edge 0w30 SL + Mahle OX401D
2002 Buick Century 144k - Built 4T65e(Maxlife) - GTX 5w30 + Fram XG3980
Re: Non linear oil consumption [Re: KL31] #4352553
03/13/17 08:08 AM
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It's been addressed here many times, but never satisfactorily. It's something I noticed on taxis that consumed oil, plus my oil burning LTD. The F-150 leaked, didn't burn, so it was fairly linear.


Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 - Shell ROTELLA T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30, NAPA Gold 7356
1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
Re: Non linear oil consumption [Re: 901Memphis] #4360340
03/22/17 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Are you sure it's not a measuring issue on the drain?


Nope, drained it all out and only had 3.5L left of 5L that was put in. Filled back up with 5L and it's at the full mark.

I'll keep you guys posted every 1000kms with a report on this thread. I'm hoping the edge holds up better being an A3/B4 oil.

Last edited by KL31; 03/22/17 01:12 PM.

95 MX-3 2.5L|Shell Helix Ultra 5W40|Wix 51356
04 Focus 1.8L|Wesfil Cooper WZ63|Valvoline MST 5W30
05 Kluger 3.3L|Wesfil Cooper WZ418|Magnatec 10W30 Semi Syn
Re: Non linear oil consumption [Re: KL31] #4360460
03/22/17 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: KL31
My toyota kluger aka highlander with the 3.3L v6 has experienced about 1.5L of oil consumption in approx 1500 kms. I had zero consumption at 4000kms then in the last 1500-1600 it must have consumed 1.5L because only 3.5L out of 5 came out during oil change.

I had become complacent and didn't check oil levels after 4000kms as there was no loss.

This was using a conserving semi syn 5w30. Nulon was the brand. Currently using castrol edge A3/B4 which is a stout 30 grade. 700kms so far with no consumption.

People often say things about pcv or piston rings etc. But no oil loss to quick oil loss seems like some sort of oil breakdown to me. Any one have some real knowledge about this phenomenon they can enlighten me with?


Happens to my 2010 Acura MDX but not always. Very weird.

Re: Non linear oil consumption [Re: mjoekingz28] #4360470
03/22/17 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
Something we should all probably do (including dealerships and quik lube shacks) is to read the oil level BEFORE draining. That would/could tell us so much. And for those taking it in, they could relay to the customer that information if considered helpful.


Joe,

That's one thing Walmart TLE does even for the their $17 oil change special that uses Quaker State Oil and a Fram filter. Not bad although I've only gone there once for an oil change. Even the dealer doesn't do that or any other place I've been to.

Re: Non linear oil consumption [Re: KL31] #4374862
04/08/17 05:04 PM
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UPDATE:

Approx 1300kms on OCI. Zero consumption. Will report back at around 2500kms.


95 MX-3 2.5L|Shell Helix Ultra 5W40|Wix 51356
04 Focus 1.8L|Wesfil Cooper WZ63|Valvoline MST 5W30
05 Kluger 3.3L|Wesfil Cooper WZ418|Magnatec 10W30 Semi Syn
Re: Non linear oil consumption [Re: KL31] #4375383
04/09/17 11:18 AM
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Please do keep us updated.........
My 2005 Accord with 2.4L does the same thing zero consumption after 5K miles, then if I take it to 7500 K miles, it's down at least 3/4 of a quart. I figured, why send almost a quart of oil thru the cat---? I just change it at 5 K miles
Steve



Re: Non linear oil consumption [Re: KL31] #4436431
06/20/17 04:39 AM
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Update:

Currently at 2700kms and it does look like it's a bit below the full mark. Hard to tell but definitely below it now so there's a little consumption so far. How much I cannot say without draining (which I won't do just yet). I estimate maybe somewhere between 100-300ml consumption. Will check every 500kms and report if there's any massive changes.

If consumption continues, I'll eventually change the PCV valve at next OCI and see if that helps. Otherwise it's cheap 15W40 time for this engine!

Last edited by KL31; 06/20/17 04:39 AM.

95 MX-3 2.5L|Shell Helix Ultra 5W40|Wix 51356
04 Focus 1.8L|Wesfil Cooper WZ63|Valvoline MST 5W30
05 Kluger 3.3L|Wesfil Cooper WZ418|Magnatec 10W30 Semi Syn
Re: Non linear oil consumption [Re: KL31] #4467721
07/23/17 06:11 AM
07/23/17 06:11 AM
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Update:

So it's at 3300kms and definitely lost some oil now. Had to add approx 500-600ml to get it just above the full mark. I'll keep monitoring for now and adding once it hits the halfway point of the dipstick.

I'm kind of [censored] off that it eats oil but also kind of excited to try a bunch of [censored] out and see what works best to curb consumption. For now I'll just stick to topping up and when it's time to change oil, I'll try a 40 grade or whatever others here might suggest works best.


95 MX-3 2.5L|Shell Helix Ultra 5W40|Wix 51356
04 Focus 1.8L|Wesfil Cooper WZ63|Valvoline MST 5W30
05 Kluger 3.3L|Wesfil Cooper WZ418|Magnatec 10W30 Semi Syn
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