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UOA from blackstone #4342375 02/28/17 06:16 PM
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I need assistance posting a PDF from blackstone may I send a PDF to someone to fix me up please?

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I copy it, black out personal info then photograph and post.


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Thanks, I'm having as much trouble with my printer now. Some things are not meant to be I guess.
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Re: UOA from blackstone [Re: Turbojoe] #4342408 02/28/17 07:01 PM
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Re: UOA from blackstone [Re: Turbojoe] #4342415 02/28/17 07:04 PM
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Thanks think another member is assisting.


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Re: UOA from blackstone [Re: Turbojoe] #4342434 02/28/17 07:30 PM
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If you want to make a new UOA post, now that you have the image, copy and paste this text in your post:

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Re: UOA from blackstone [Re: Turbojoe] #4342520 02/28/17 08:25 PM
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Pete thanks so much.
I was surprised to see the viscosity and flash point are a little low. The OLM was at about 50%, 11 month service time. I'm a little surprised the M1-EP did not hold in the specified range. If there is only a trace of fuel dilution why would the viscosity drop?

thanks again for the assistance and I look forward to the feedback.

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Re: UOA from blackstone [Re: Turbojoe] #4342534 02/28/17 08:32 PM
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It could be because the fuel dilution is being underreported. I read a report on here that compared two identical samples with Blackstone and another lab. The other lab had a much higher fuel dilution reading. It seems the other lab had a more accurate way to measure it. Still a good report plus it was coming up on a year. So ready for a change. I don't think the OLM takes time into account.

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Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
It could be because the fuel dilution is being underreported. I read a report on here that compared two identical samples with Blackstone and another lab. The other lab had a much higher fuel dilution reading. It seems the other lab had a more accurate way to measure it. Still a good report plus it was coming up on a year. So ready for a change. I don't think the OLM takes time into account.


Well that would make sense, didn't know what else would cause the viscosity to dip like that. Would Shearing cause it? Not sure if this engine was known to be a bit of a shredder or not.


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Re: UOA from blackstone [Re: Turbojoe] #4342591 02/28/17 09:26 PM
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Gas Chromagraph equipment, [censored] doesn't have it, Oil Analizers does.


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Yes that fuel dilution, Blackstone is becoming famous for reporting low on fuel in the oil.

Other than the fuel the oil held up fine and with 3.9 TBN you could have easily ran the oil life to zero.

Remember that lower viscosity isn't an issue in itself, only when it causes high wear usually.


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Re: UOA from blackstone [Re: Turbojoe] #4342841 03/01/17 08:35 AM
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fuel dilution is systemic in TGDI platforms regardless of mfg. and more so in the cold. Amsoil UOA's get a gas chromagraph test with many others for $34, I have a thread runnung a couple down from here with their UOA.

https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/other-products/oil-analysis-services/


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Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Yes that fuel dilution, Blackstone is becoming famous for reporting low on fuel in the oil.

Other than the fuel the oil held up fine and with 3.9 TBN you could have easily ran the oil life to zero.

Remember that lower viscosity isn't an issue in itself, only when it causes high wear usually.


Okay, this makes sense now. Since the flashpoint is a bit below spec. can mean there is fuel dilution. If the flashpoint was in spec then it could mean a certain engine is "hard on oil" and not caused by fuel dilution.
When I use up my stash of 2 dollar 5w30 synthetic oil it would not be too far out of line to consider 0w40 or 5w40 grade for this engine if I find a good sale. I'm not worried about it as I look at the wear metals etc, might probably stick with 5w30. Next research for me might be looking into which oils may stay in grade better with some fuel dilution. again, I'm not worried at all but this is interesting to me.
Thanks for all of the feedback.
Joe


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You can try 5w30 with acea c3 or it's derivatives : dexos 2 or Mb 229.51/52 or vw 504/507
This what they get on the other side of Atlantic


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