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Mobil1: Turbo Diesel Truck vs. Delvac 1 ESP? #4337550
02/23/17 10:47 AM
02/23/17 10:47 AM
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Central Texas
AirBull Offline OP
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I like the Shell Rotella T6 that I believe FCA is using on the EcoDiesel's now, but I see two other oils that I could go with from Mobil 1 at WalMart: Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5w40 & Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5w40. Big difference in the tech specs (from M1's website.) The Delvac 1 ESP has the new CK-4 formulation, which apparently supersedes CJ-4. Thoughts/comments?


Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W-40
engine oil meets or exceeds the requirements of:
API CK-4, CJ-4, CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, CH-4
ACEA E9, E7
Caterpillar ECF-3
Cummins CES 20086, 20081
Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W-40 engine oil is approved by the following OEMs:
Detroit Fluids Specification 93K222, 93K218
Mack EO-O Premium Plus
MAN M 3575
MB-Approval 228.31
MTU Oil Category 2.1
Volvo VDS-4

Technical details

SAE Grade 5W-40
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40C 81.1
cSt @ 100C 13.56
CCS, cP, ASTM D 5293 6,330 @ -30C
MRV, cP, ASTM D 4684 22,000 @ -35C
HTHS @ 150C, cP, ASTM D 4683 3.7
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 170
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.0
Total Base #, mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 12.1
Pour Point, C, ASTM D 97 -33
Flash Point, C, ASTM D 92 222
Density @ 15C kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.857

Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 synthetic motor oil meets or exceeds the requirements of the following industry and builder specifications:
API CJ-4, CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, CH-4/SM, SL, SJ
ACEA E7 Issue 2
Caterpillar ECF-2, ECF-3
According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 is of the following quality level:
CG-4
Technical details

SAE Grade 5W-40
Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445)
@ 40C 97.9
@ 100C 14.5
Viscosity Index 153
Phosporous (ASTM D4951) 0.11
HTHS Viscosity, mPas @ 150C (ASTM D4683) 3.8
Sulfated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874) 0.95
Total Base #, mg KOH/g (ASTM D2896) 10.7
Flash Point, C (ASTM D92) 215
Density @ 15.6C g/ml (ASTM D4052) 0.85


'12 Corvette Z06 (Mobil1 EP 5w30)
'18 Buick Enclave Avenir (Ravenol DXG 5w30)
'17 GMC Yukon Denali 4x4 6.2L V8 (Mobil1 EP 0w20)
Re: Mobil1: Turbo Diesel Truck vs. Delvac 1 ESP? [Re: AirBull] #4337615
02/23/17 12:05 PM
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That's why Delvac 1 costs $45/5qt and M1 $25/5qt.

Re: Mobil1: Turbo Diesel Truck vs. Delvac 1 ESP? [Re: DrRoughneck] #4337623
02/23/17 12:11 PM
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Central Texas
AirBull Offline OP
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Actually, the Turbo Diesel Truck comes in 4qt jugs. Looks like the new Delvac 1 ESP is superior with the CK-4 rating. PepBoys has it for $30.99 a 5qt right now, with free shipping if you buy two. Apparently Rotella T6 will have new CK-4 rating as well, but I can't find any specs on what they did for CK-4 like M1 has provided.


'12 Corvette Z06 (Mobil1 EP 5w30)
'18 Buick Enclave Avenir (Ravenol DXG 5w30)
'17 GMC Yukon Denali 4x4 6.2L V8 (Mobil1 EP 0w20)
Re: Mobil1: Turbo Diesel Truck vs. Delvac 1 ESP? [Re: AirBull] #4337642
02/23/17 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted By: AirBull
Actually, the Turbo Diesel Truck comes in 4qt jugs. Looks like the new Delvac 1 ESP is superior with the CK-4 rating. PepBoys has it for $30.99 a 5qt right now, with free shipping if you buy two. Apparently Rotella T6 will have new CK-4 rating as well, but I can't find any specs on what they did for CK-4 like M1 has provided.

Would you use Delvac 1 5W40 in a gas engine?

Re: Mobil1: Turbo Diesel Truck vs. Delvac 1 ESP? [Re: DrRoughneck] #4337664
02/23/17 12:58 PM
02/23/17 12:58 PM
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Central Texas
AirBull Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: DrRoughneck
Originally Posted By: AirBull
Actually, the Turbo Diesel Truck comes in 4qt jugs. Looks like the new Delvac 1 ESP is superior with the CK-4 rating. PepBoys has it for $30.99 a 5qt right now, with free shipping if you buy two. Apparently Rotella T6 will have new CK-4 rating as well, but I can't find any specs on what they did for CK-4 like M1 has provided.

Would you use Delvac 1 5W40 in a gas engine?
I'm pretty sure the Delvac 1 ESP is intended for just for diesel.

https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobil-delvac/mobil-delvac-1-esp#5W-40


'12 Corvette Z06 (Mobil1 EP 5w30)
'18 Buick Enclave Avenir (Ravenol DXG 5w30)
'17 GMC Yukon Denali 4x4 6.2L V8 (Mobil1 EP 0w20)
Re: Mobil1: Turbo Diesel Truck vs. Delvac 1 ESP? [Re: AirBull] #4337680
02/23/17 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted By: AirBull
I'm pretty sure the Delvac 1 ESP is intended for just for diesel.

https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobil-delvac/mobil-delvac-1-esp#5W-40

Thanks for the link. Mobil states at the bottom this oil is ok for gas engines.

Re: Mobil1: Turbo Diesel Truck vs. Delvac 1 ESP? [Re: AirBull] #4337906
02/23/17 06:00 PM
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Central Texas
AirBull Offline OP
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One thing that has me concerned is the low viscosity cSt @ 40C for the Delvac 1 ESP 5w40, every other CK-4 5w40 is in the 90's.


'12 Corvette Z06 (Mobil1 EP 5w30)
'18 Buick Enclave Avenir (Ravenol DXG 5w30)
'17 GMC Yukon Denali 4x4 6.2L V8 (Mobil1 EP 0w20)
Re: Mobil1: Turbo Diesel Truck vs. Delvac 1 ESP? [Re: AirBull] #4337911
02/23/17 06:07 PM
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Applications
Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W-40 is recommended for use in all super high performance diesel applications, including modern low emission engine designs with Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR), Aftertreatment systems with Diesel Particulate Filters (DPFs) and Diesel Oxidation Catalysts (DOCs). These applications include the following:

On-highway engines operating in both high speed/high load and stop-and-go conditions
Off-highway engines operating in severe low speed/heavy load conditions
Virtually all diesel powered equipment from American and European equipment builders
High performance gasoline engines and mixed fleets--------------------------------------Seems not exactly so.
Refrigeration units


2015 Ford F150 2.7
2018 Ford F350 6.2
Re: Mobil1: Turbo Diesel Truck vs. Delvac 1 ESP? [Re: AirBull] #4338228
02/24/17 06:24 AM
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Michigan, USA
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Originally Posted By: AirBull
One thing that has me concerned is the low viscosity cSt @ 40C for the Delvac 1 ESP 5w40, every other CK-4 5w40 is in the 90's.


I don't see anything wrong with that, it just pumps easier at colder tempertures. I prefer that in the cold for my Cummins winter starts.


2012 Ram 2500 SLT 6.7L Cummins 4x4
2015 Jeep Cherokee 3.2L Latitude 4x4
Re: Mobil1: Turbo Diesel Truck vs. Delvac 1 ESP? [Re: DrRoughneck] #4338254
02/24/17 07:07 AM
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Texas & Global
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Pretty sure Garak's G37 is not a diesel ... just wish D1 products sold for less ... Think what you see in Mobil products is you will pay for PAO ...


2018 Chevy 1500 Z71 4WD
2017 Chevy Tahoe LT 4WD
2014 Fusion Hybrid Titanium
2013 Cruze LTZ - RS Turbo
Re: Mobil1: Turbo Diesel Truck vs. Delvac 1 ESP? [Re: AirBull] #4338753
02/24/17 03:47 PM
02/24/17 03:47 PM
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Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Garak Offline
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Originally Posted By: AirBull
Originally Posted By: DrRoughneck
Originally Posted By: AirBull
Actually, the Turbo Diesel Truck comes in 4qt jugs. Looks like the new Delvac 1 ESP is superior with the CK-4 rating. PepBoys has it for $30.99 a 5qt right now, with free shipping if you buy two. Apparently Rotella T6 will have new CK-4 rating as well, but I can't find any specs on what they did for CK-4 like M1 has provided.

Would you use Delvac 1 5W40 in a gas engine?
I'm pretty sure the Delvac 1 ESP is intended for just for diesel.

I use it for a gasoline engine, as was already pointed out, and I'm not the only one.

With regards to the CK-4 Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40, it does seem to be "dumbed down" a bit compared to the CJ-4 version. Pour point is higher. Flash point is lower. This seems to corroborate, however, that the previous versions were more "ringers" in their category, more than saying anything bad about the current version. The current version will still perform identically for over 99% of people using it. It will be completely seamless, except perhaps for those pushing OCIs out to the limits. Then again, TBN has climbed a bit and we do have the CK-4 improvements, so maybe not. For cold weather, the numbers are fairly typical for the grade.

With respect to pricing, the situation up here is reversed, because big box retailers up here cannot be trusted to have sensible margins. I get Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40 for about $25 a jug directly from Imperial Oil. M1 TDT 5w-40 goes for over $50 a jug.


Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 - Shell ROTELLA T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30, NAPA Gold 7356
1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
Re: Mobil1: Turbo Diesel Truck vs. Delvac 1 ESP? [Re: DrRoughneck] #4339301
02/25/17 09:17 AM
02/25/17 09:17 AM
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Indiana
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Originally Posted By: DrRoughneck
That's why Delvac 1 costs $45/5qt and M1 $25/5qt.


Around this neck of the woods, Rural King has it for $21.99 for a gallon, they also have the 5 gallon bucket. Meijer has it for $22 a gallon. Advance Auto is selling it as well, but, it is more there, I think around $30 a gallon.

Last edited by njohnson; 02/25/17 09:22 AM.
Re: Mobil1: Turbo Diesel Truck vs. Delvac 1 ESP? [Re: AirBull] #4352968
03/13/17 04:40 PM
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Michigan born but my heart bel...
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Meijer D1 beats walmarts M1 prices, here in the bay region.


harv


97 F250HD 7.3 320K 01 Astro 220K
93 metroXFi 94.5K
01 Impala 300K
04 RTV900R 1150hrs


Re: Mobil1: Turbo Diesel Truck vs. Delvac 1 ESP? [Re: AirBull] #4352981
03/13/17 05:05 PM
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here now we have Delvac 1 ESP 5/40 at $7.99 A/R limit 8 I always use it in the ATV's Sleds OPE..Toyota and now the Civic although planing to switch the cars to 0/40 A3/B4 have both Mobil 1 & Castrol (made in germany) in stock.


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640:1 TCW-3 E091
Edge 0/40 XG7317
Firehawk Indy 500

06 4Runner SR5 146k
640:1 TCW-3
PP 5/30 XG3614
Falken Wildpeak AT3W
Re: Mobil1: Turbo Diesel Truck vs. Delvac 1 ESP? [Re: AirBull] #4360506
03/22/17 04:42 PM
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Both are of good quality but looks like Delvac 1 is better. If the price difference is not an issue then why not go for it. It looks promising and read somewhere that it is recommended by most truck drivers.

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