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Who has had a real engine failure? #4264017
12/02/16 06:08 PM
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fdcg27 Offline OP
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We see a lot of talk here about engines dying for whatever reason.
I've owned a number of vehicles over the past forty years, some of which went past 200K and I've never had an engine fail.
They might use or leak a little more oil as the years and the miles accumulate and they might lose a little power but they haven't seemed to fail outright.
I know that some engines have baked-in problems that may result in early failure, but how many here have seen an engine in daily driven road use given reasonable, non OCD maintenance fail at anything much less than 200K?
I haven't and I don't think it happens more often out of 100K engines than one can count on the fingers of his hands.


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17 Forester 18K VME 0W-20
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Re: Who has had a real engine failure? [Re: fdcg27] #4264020
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Ecotec in my BIL's cavalier (that I sourced & fixed up for him) blew up. Timing chain went one cold morning when he tried to start it. Power steering pump mooched off a camshaft; didn't help things, IMO.

Re: Who has had a real engine failure? [Re: fdcg27] #4264022
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A good friend of mine, admittedly due to his own stupidity, managed to spin #7 and #8 rod bearing in his 4.6L Modular during an Edmonton winter day by trying to do a burn-out when it was -40C with a cold engine..... He still was able to drive it back to Ontario though.


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Re: Who has had a real engine failure? [Re: fdcg27] #4264023
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My 302 and 350 Chevy's both ate cams at low milages. I consider that a failure. My 350 got a rod knock soon after the new cam was installed. Had a 340 Dodge drop 2 valves,destroyed the 2 pistons.My boss' wrangler needed rod bearings @174K due to a light knock, Bearings were into the copper. My 86 Mitsubishi needed a valve job @35k ...crankshaft broke @44k. A fram oil filter came apart in my moms dodge omni and plugged the oil feed to the head. ruined the cam and head.


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Re: Who has had a real engine failure? [Re: fdcg27] #4264029
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The only vehicle I've owned that might apply is the 2001 STS I had. The rings were replaced by Cadillac early on (~30k miles or something), and then the entire engine was replaced at something like 40k miles. I imagine it was due to oil consumption (rather than a catastrophic failure), but I couldn't say for sure. All I know is it had a different engine; all of that occurred prior to me owning it.

Re: Who has had a real engine failure? [Re: fdcg27] #4264032
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Rolling down I-40 years ago about 65 mph I had a Subaru(80's) hatchback grenade. Piston came up too far, and pulverized the spark plug.


1992 Toyota Pickup--Harvest King Premium 10W-30--Fram PH3614
Re: Who has had a real engine failure? [Re: fdcg27] #4264034
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Had a 1991 Taurus purchased new with 19k miles on it when it blew up and Ford covered it with no question and when I asked them why they said they had seen several and it was a mfgs. defect.

Re: Who has had a real engine failure? [Re: Chris142] #4264035
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What did Fram say ??

I bet they sent you a new filter once they saw the pics !!

MG Spitfire ran out of oil due to bad rings and valve guide oil seals (Poor previous service history).

Cummins 300 marine TDI dropped an exhaust valve trashing the head. Repaired under warranty by the boat munfacturer cos the problem was caused by use of too course a pitch prop overloading the engine.

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Re: Who has had a real engine failure? [Re: Chris142] #4264037
12/02/16 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: Chris142
My 302 and 350 Chevy's both ate cams at low milages. I consider that a failure. My 350 got a rod knock soon after the new cam was installed. Had a 340 Dodge drop 2 valves,destroyed the 2 pistons.My boss' wrangler needed rod bearings @174K due to a light knock, Bearings were into the copper. My 86 Mitsubishi needed a valve job @35k ...crankshaft broke @44k. A fram oil filter came apart in my moms dodge omni and plugged the oil feed to the head. ruined the cam and head.


Cam failures in some generations of SBC's were common, and NOT related to the oil. They had soft cores. AND, if they just stuck in a new cam w/o doing a complete rebuild, the rod knock was the least of your worries.

Once a cam starts shedding metal, it goes all through the engine by going past the filter on cold starts (by-pass). Embeds in any soft metal like piston skirts and bearings and just eats stuff up. Once a cam goes, they owe you a complete engine teardown, boil-out, and rebuild ...


Formerly in marine engineering. In an earlier life I owned my own petroleum tank truck, and hauled for the majors and independent's.
Re: Who has had a real engine failure? [Re: Chris142] #4264040
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I've had a couple go:

1979 Caddy DeVille - circa 1991 with 125K miles or so spun a bearing. Turns out a fuel pump diaphragm failure washed fuel into the oil system. Or so I was told. Had a nice rod knock. Still, changed the fuel pump and oil, then drove it around for a few hundred miles before selling it. That "boat" was driven quite lovingly by both my Dad and myself. The first symptom of that problem was while driving on the highway I could visibly see the gas needle moving down with no signs of where it might be going. Got it off the highway within a few minutes of seeing that and stopped at the nearest garage...still too late.

1988 Buick V6 - full sized car - my son's. Circa mid 1990's...around 130K miles he got a red oil warning light...and drove the car on the highway until the engine seized just as he got to his exit for home.

1985 Ford LTD V6 - bought with 44K miles in the early 1990's from an elderly couple. By 62K miles that car was a total mess. I suspect they short tripped it to death with 2-3 mile runs in the winter. I sold it before the engine died but no way was that going to make it much past 70K-100K miles.


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2001 Lincoln Cont 4.6L DOHC/ 39K mi / QS HM 5w30 / FUG XG2
1999 Camaro SS M6 /19K /Mobil 1 0w40 /Fram UG /GM MTL-ATF
1969 Ply GTX/RRs
Re: Who has had a real engine failure? [Re: fdcg27] #4264042
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None - 45 years US SUV/trucks/cars ...


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Re: Who has had a real engine failure? [Re: fdcg27] #4264044
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Rod out the side of the block in my Audi. But I had beat on that motor for years. rebuilt it and went right back at it (I JB welded the piece of block skirt that broke out:D) ...

That car was WAY too much fun to just retire smile


Formerly in marine engineering. In an earlier life I owned my own petroleum tank truck, and hauled for the majors and independent's.
Re: Who has had a real engine failure? [Re: fdcg27] #4264053
12/02/16 06:35 PM
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Think Arco Graphite has lost a few engines. The local Napa counter guy has lost 2 engines in his Chevy Cavalier.


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Re: Who has had a real engine failure? [Re: fdcg27] #4264065
12/02/16 06:44 PM
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Wot, no head-gasket/warped head failures?

I thought the cooling system was supposed to be the primary failure mode for liquid-cooled engines?

Or are y'all just obsessed with oil?


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Re: Who has had a real engine failure? [Re: fdcg27] #4264067
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Me & a Buddy were going to Ensenada Mexico in a Opel Gt Wagon on a Surf trip. were headin down the coast running about 60mph and that motor just let go - huge cloud of white smoke soon the rod knock was there and she died. lucky we had a buddy following in his Truck - so we just left that nice Opel right there on the side of the road and headed on the San Miguel.

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