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Why does radiator coolant need to be replaced? #4243778
11/07/16 10:41 AM
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My car passed 60,000 which means I need to flush the coolant.
But why?
It still looks nice & green. It feels like I should be able to run to 120,000 since the radiator still continues to keep the engine from overheating. What exactly happens to coolant that it requires replacement after 60000 miles of usage?

Last edited by wwillson; 11/08/16 05:14 AM. Reason: subject spelling
Re: Why does radiator coolant need to be replaced? [Re: veryHeavy] #4243784
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The corrosion inhibitors give up. What mechanism that is, I dunno (what wears or gives out). But due to the dissimilar metals in the system, once those inhibitors go, so does precious metal.


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Re: Why does radiator coolant need to be replaced? [Re: veryHeavy] #4243791
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It lubricates the bearings in the water pump. Those "lubricants" wear out over time. The PH level, or acidity, also changes over time, so you want to get the old stuff out and replace so it doesn't corrode.


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Re: Why does radiator coolant need to be replaced? [Re: bubbatime] #4243822
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It doesn't in any of my cars, and I've yet to see one where it does. A water-glycol mix is not a very good lubricant, every time it has migrated past the seal into the bearings it has caused them to fail in short order.

Originally Posted By: bubbatime
It lubricates the bearings in the water pump. Those "lubricants" wear out over time. The PH level, or acidity, also changes over time, so you want to get the old stuff out and replace so it doesn't corrode.


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Re: Why does radiator coolant need to be replaced? [Re: bubbatime] #4243835
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Originally Posted By: bubbatime
It lubricates the bearings in the water pump. Those "lubricants" wear out over time. The PH level, or acidity, also changes over time, so you want to get the old stuff out and replace so it doesn't corrode.


With the advent of mechanical seals in water pumps I thought that "lubricating" seals/bearings was no longer applicable.


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Re: Why does radiator coolant need to be replaced? [Re: veryHeavy] #4243894
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Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
My car passed 60,000 which means I need to flush the coolant.
But why?
It still looks nice & green. It feels like I should be able to run to 120,000 since the radiator still continues to keep the engine from overheating. What exactly happens to coolant that it requires replacement after 60000 miles of usage?
Anyone who waits until the engine is overheating to change coolant is crazy. You you wait until your tires blow out before you change them/

Re: Why does radiator coolant need to be replaced? [Re: veryHeavy] #4243907
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Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
My car passed 60,000 which means I need to flush the coolant.
But why?
It still looks nice & green. It feels like I should be able to run to 120,000 since the radiator still continues to keep the engine from overheating. What exactly happens to coolant that it requires replacement after 60000 miles of usage?


Drain and refill. No need for a flush if things look good. The additives wear out. Drain and refill is cheap compared to parts replacement.

Use the proper coolant and distilled water.

Last edited by Donald; 11/07/16 12:38 PM.

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Re: Why does radiator coolant need to be replaced? [Re: veryHeavy] #4243915
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The add pack in coolant(mostly corrosion inhibitors) breaks down after a while - more so with conventional green coolant than the OAT(Dex-Cool) and hOAT(Japanese coolants with phosphates, silicated hOAT like G-05/G-40/G-48) coolants used by the OEMs these days.

In rare cases does glycol break down to glycolate - and game over if that does.

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Re: Why does radiator coolant need to be replaced? [Re: bubbatime] #4243962
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Originally Posted By: bubbatime
It lubricates the bearings in the water pump. Those "lubricants" wear out over time. The PH level, or acidity, also changes over time, so you want to get the old stuff out and replace so it doesn't corrode.
any pump made after 193somthething has sealed bearings.. it's the anti corrosion and pH that gets bad.

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Re: Why does radiator coolant need to be replaced? [Re: bubbatime] #4243966
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Originally Posted By: bubbatime
It lubricates the bearings in the water pump. Those "lubricants" wear out over time.


You shouldn't repeat everything you hear at Jiffy Lube.

Re: Why does radiator coolant need to be replaced? [Re: veryHeavy] #4243977
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Water pump or bearing lubrication is nonsense and it has been nonsense for a long, long time in automotive world.

As any automotive fluid, coolant oxidizes, depletes its additives, changes its optimal PH level and simply put, deteriorates through chemical and electrolytic reactions.


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Re: Why does radiator coolant need to be replaced? [Re: veryHeavy] #4243978
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...Any lubricating needed is just the seal itself. Water pumps have mechanical seal and the water keeps them cool. Anyone that thinks water ever lubricates bearings should think twice

Re: Why does radiator coolant need to be replaced? [Re: Kawiguy454] #4244262
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Originally Posted By: Kawiguy454
...Any lubricating needed is just the seal itself. Water pumps have mechanical seal and the water keeps them cool. Anyone that thinks water ever lubricates bearings should think twice

Definitely. It's just the seal, which is why I don't like to spin pumps dry, even briefly. The seals are spring loaded too, so it's not hard to imagine how being dry or bathed in precipitated-silicate and insoluble-contaminated coolant can wear out a rubber seal that's spring loaded against a housing. The glycol does indeed provide some lubrication to the seal, but conversely the glycol itself never "wears out".


Scambling for solutions is a hopelessly futile endeavour and potentially dangerous, without first coming to a solid, personal understanding of the problem. Beware riding the ideological hobby horse.
Re: Why does radiator coolant need to be replaced? [Re: veryHeavy] #4244306
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Instead of second guessing the recommendation to drain and fill your coolant, ask yourself this:

Is it worth the extra (approximately) $20 I would spend on the coolant (and pennies for the water) to safeguard my engine from potential failure or damage resulting from NOT changing out the coolant at the recommended interval?


In my mind, spending $20 or so for the coolant and an hour or two to drain and fill in my driveway - ONCE per 60,000 miles - is WELL worth it.


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Re: Why does radiator coolant need to be replaced? [Re: veryHeavy] #4244483
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I recently topped-off the radiator with fresh coolant. Hopefully that will hold me until my 70,000 mile oil change. The dealer charges $150 for radiator flush.

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