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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: kschachn] #4211627
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And then this data gets moved into Haz Comm systems around the industrial site and used in pre job "Toolbox Talks"
(Operative word being safety) ...
Some of the detective work and sharing of knowledge gets interesting here - like the posting saying Mobil never had or will have mPAO - but it is on their public website ...

Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: MolaKule] #4211636
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule


Can you confirm the lard?

I suppose the phosphorus could be lard phospholipid, but you might need GC/GLC/HPLC to confirm.

Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: Ducked] #4215774
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Originally Posted By: Ducked
Originally Posted By: MolaKule


Can you confirm the lard?

I suppose the phosphorus could be lard phospholipid, but you might need GC/GLC/HPLC to confirm.
Heh heh, Maybe they should make a high Cholesterol version for older cars. grin2

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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: BrocLuno] #4216521
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FWIW---one of my experiences with MMO; had a 70 Cougar with the 351C-4V & 4 speed which was quite a rare combo--always had valve 'issues' prolly from me over-revving the poor beast ---> used to bend random pushrods. On the advice of a then very old mechanic, I added MMO to the oil and the bent pushrods stopped. Well, I kept adding it with every oil change. In the mid-eighties leaded fuel disappeared and there were no lead substitutes on the market--in went approx. 4 oz of MMO in every premium unleaded tank of fuel.
Drove the car for 14 years and ended up with 140K, which was unusual for that vintage car. IMO it would not have lived that long without MMO.
BTW, I heard chlorinated solvents are leaving the market in 2017, so even though I have no use for MMO today, I purchased 10 bottles--which should be a lifetime supply.
Steve



Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: steve20] #4217248
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Originally Posted By: steve20
FWIW---one of my experiences with MMO; had a 70 Cougar with the 351C-4V & 4 speed which was quite a rare combo--always had valve 'issues' prolly from me over-revving the poor beast ---> used to bend random pushrods. On the advice of a then very old mechanic, I added MMO to the oil and the bent pushrods stopped. Well, I kept adding it with every oil change. In the mid-eighties leaded fuel disappeared and there were no lead substitutes on the market--in went approx. 4 oz of MMO in every premium unleaded tank of fuel.
Drove the car for 14 years and ended up with 140K, which was unusual for that vintage car. IMO it would not have lived that long without MMO.
BTW, I heard chlorinated solvents are leaving the market in 2017, so even though I have no use for MMO today, I purchased 10 bottles--which should be a lifetime supply.
Steve


Wow, I had no idea that MMO was used as a lead substitute...learned something new today!


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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: Virtus_Probi] #4217286
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Me neither. Out of all the marvel-ous benefits listed on their website that isn't one of them. Steve should send in a testimonial, maybe he'll get a hat or something.

Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted By: steve20
FWIW---one of my experiences with MMO; had a 70 Cougar with the 351C-4V & 4 speed which was quite a rare combo--always had valve 'issues' prolly from me over-revving the poor beast ---> used to bend random pushrods. On the advice of a then very old mechanic, I added MMO to the oil and the bent pushrods stopped. Well, I kept adding it with every oil change. In the mid-eighties leaded fuel disappeared and there were no lead substitutes on the market--in went approx. 4 oz of MMO in every premium unleaded tank of fuel.
Drove the car for 14 years and ended up with 140K, which was unusual for that vintage car. IMO it would not have lived that long without MMO.
BTW, I heard chlorinated solvents are leaving the market in 2017, so even though I have no use for MMO today, I purchased 10 bottles--which should be a lifetime supply.
Steve

Wow, I had no idea that MMO was used as a lead substitute...learned something new today!


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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: Ducked] #4217592
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Originally Posted By: Ducked
Originally Posted By: MolaKule


Can you confirm the lard?

I suppose the phosphorus could be lard phospholipid, but you might need GC/GLC/HPLC to confirm.


You're joking, right? ???


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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: BrocLuno] #4217699
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Lard, like that from the odd FAA accident report?

Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: BrocLuno] #4219240
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For engines,Liquimoly Motor Oil Saver is BOSS. It cleans up an engine and seals leaks and helps TBN. If your looking for a cleaning right before oci then Gumout Multitune with PEA is the way to go.Follow as directed and use rest in gas tank.


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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: Marco620] #4220817
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Originally Posted By: Marco620
For engines,Liquimoly Motor Oil Saver is BOSS. It cleans up an engine and seals leaks and helps TBN. If your looking for a cleaning right before oci then Gumout Multitune with PEA is the way to go.Follow as directed and use rest in gas tank.


LM Motor Oil Saver was not designed to clean up an engine, it is a stop leak additive. If you want to clean up an engine they do make several different flush additives.


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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: MolaKule] #4220833
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: Ducked
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Can you confirm the lard?

I suppose the phosphorus could be lard phospholipid, but you might need GC/GLC/HPLC to confirm.


You're joking, right? ???



No, I just read the thread. Its mentioned in the OP.

Of course I don't know its true, but the source isn't obviously suspect, and I don't see it as especially unbelievable. Not for something called Marvel Mystery Oil, anyway.

IIRC tallow (essentially the same thing) is used as a lubricant in steel rolling mills. It'll be polar, so might be quite a good boundary lubricant/friction modifier, and compensate for the high solvent content of MMO, which might otherwise compromise lubricity,...er lubrication, I mean. (or whatever the contemporary phrase for lubricity is).

Thermal stability might be a problem, though.

Always meant to try it (tallow, not MMO, which AFAIK I can't get anyway) as a chain lube, but I ride motorcycles too seldom to give it much of a test.

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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: Ducked] #4220867
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Originally Posted By: Ducked
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: Ducked
Originally Posted By: MolaKule


Can you confirm the lard?

I suppose the phosphorus could be lard phospholipid, but you might need GC/GLC/HPLC to confirm.


You're joking, right? ???


Thermal stability might be a problem, though.


Oxidative stability/rancidity too, though the other components might protect the lard a bit, and I think some lards are protected by anti-oxidants.

Then there's the hydrogenation / trans-fats modifications, a la Crisco, which are supposed to increase stability.

I'd rather have that stuff in my engine than in my arteries.

Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: BrocLuno] #4222853
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Originally Posted By: BrocLuno
I a th

...and the lard will be poor mans AutoRX (bio-oils), so that's cause to go get some all by itself....

I have used it on and off for decades on oil burners and rough running engines. About 75% of the time it'll help in one oil change interval.

I have moved on to BG109 and my fix in a can smile

But under some circumstances, I'd grab a can of MMO and go for it again laugh


I don't know how anyone could assume there is any lard in MMO. ???

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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: BrocLuno] #4223011
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"According to an NTSB post aircraft accident investigation published in 2003, a Marvel Mystery Oil sample tested was composed of 74 percent mineral oil, 25 percent stoddard solvent, and 1 percent lard"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Mystery_Oil

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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: MrQuackers] #4223226
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Originally Posted By: MrQuackers
"According to an NTSB post aircraft accident investigation published in 2003, a Marvel Mystery Oil sample tested was composed of 74 percent mineral oil, 25 percent stoddard solvent, and 1 percent lard"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Mystery_Oil




Quote:
NTSB Identification: NYC02LA181
On September 3, 2002, about 1200 eastern daylight time, a Piper PA-18, N5428H, operated by Aerial Sign Company of Hollywood, Florida, was substantially damaged during a forced landing in Belmar, New Jersey. The certificated commercial pilot was not injured. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed for the flight that departed Allaire Airport, Belmar, New Jersey. No flight plan had been filed for the positioning flight that was conducted under 14 CFR Part 91.

According to the pilot, the airplane was used for banner towing and was being repositioned to Hollywood, Florida, with intermediate stops at Norfolk, Virginia, and Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. The pilot departed on runway 32, and performed a right downwind departure. He switched fuel tanks while climbing, and leveled the airplane at 1,200 feet mean sea level (MSL). As the airplane neared the coast line, the engine "smoothly" lost power. The pilot turned the airplane back toward the departure airport. However, he was unable to restore engine power, and set up for a forced landing in an open field. On final approach, he saw the field was uneven, and turned the airplane to land in a soccer field. The airplane touched down without incident; however, due to people on the right, a building straight ahead, and a chain link fence to the left, the pilot turned the airplane to the left. The airplane struck the fence and came to rest on its nose.

The pilot reported that the airplane had 3 fuel tanks, each with a capacity of 18 gallons. One was located in the left wing, and two were located in the right wing. During his preflight inspection of the airplane, he noticed that the fuel in one tank was pink in color. He attributed that to the addition of a fuel additive. The fuel in the other tanks were blue in color. Departure was made on the left wing tank, and he switched to the right inboard tank on the climb.

According to an inspector from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the left elevator was crushed and bent, the left wing struts were bowed, and the firewall was wrinkled. He reported that the fuel in the left wing tank, the carburetor, and the main fuel strainer was red in color, and had an oily feel when touched. In addition, the fuel selector was checked and found to operative with no blockage; the main fuel sump was not blocked; no problems were noted with the carburetor float, and the main jet on the carburetor was absent of debris.

Although the pilot and FAA inspector did not report the same fuel tank as containing the red colored fuel, both were in agreement that the one tank contained the red colored fuel.

The operator told the FAA inspector that the red color was from an additive placed in the fuel tank, at a rate of one quart for each refueling. Examination of the engine revealed low compression on all cylinders, ranging from 44/80 to 5/80. Air bypass was noted on all exhaust valves, and on two of the intake valves. The number two cylinder was removed, and evidence consistent with detonation was found on the surface of the piston, and on the valves.

According to the FAA inspector, the additive that was added to the fuel was Marvel Mystery Oil. An empty 1 gallon can of Marvel Mystery Oil was found in the operator's trash. Instructions found on the can stated that the correct ratio for mixing with fuel was 1 part additive to 100 parts fuel. The contents of Marvel Mystery Oil were 74 percent mineral oil, 25 percent stoddard solvent, and 1 percent lard.

In a telephone interview, the pilot reported that the manager of Aerial Signs told him that the oil had been added.

The Chief Pilot reported that there were no specific procedures for the use of Marvel Mystery Oil, no written direction, and it was not being used anymore.

The Manager of Aerial Signs reported that he had told his pilots to not use Marvel Mystery Oil any more. In addition, he talked to the mechanics, and they had not added it and the pilot reported that he had not added it.

According to Lycoming Service Instruction No. 1014M, dated May 22, 1995, the use of fuel additives was not recommended, and voided the engine warranty.


OK, enough of this ridiculous internet misinformation. The above quote is the actual NTSB report with certain sentences emphasized.

Here is what we know:

1. Marvel Mystery Oil contains the components listed in the Lab analysis and nothing more. No form of any triglyceride was found in the OTS samples we tested. The formula has not changed since it's original brew. Even the old TCP form of phosphates are still being used.

Conclusion: If lard was found in the MMO samples by the NTSB, it had to have been put into the 1 Gal. can by someone doing a "homebrew" mix.

Was one or more of the mechanic's at the Operator's facility doing an experiment?

Was some mechanic at the Operator's facility not happy with this specific pilot or a previous pilot? Had a previous pilot added this mix at the conclusion of a previous flight?

Notice this specific sentence below:

Quote:
...The Manager of Aerial Signs reported that he had told his pilots to not use Marvel Mystery Oil any more.In addition, he talked to the mechanics, and they had not added it and the pilot [of the failed flight] reported that he had not added it...


AaaHaa. So the Manager was apparently aware of MMO's use at THIS facility.

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