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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey] #4210323
09/24/16 08:32 AM
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Yes, put it in your parts washer tank. wink

Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: BrocLuno] #4210379
09/24/16 09:46 AM
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I have used MMO for many years and all the old time mechanics still use it..
I have used MMO on many engines that had stuck valves or lifters over the years and saved people thousands because of it..I won't argue with anyone about MMO because everyone has their own opinion about it. If you like it use it ..I do...If you don't like it don't use it.

I use it in my lawnmowers snowblowers and generator's gas tanks also and when the power went out last year i have the same generator installed on my house that my two neighbors have all installed around the same time mine automatically started up within a couple of minutes and theirs did not start , Period!


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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: BrocLuno] #4210414
09/24/16 10:38 AM
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Yeah, it's odd - but many folks have not used it and never will ... Those of us that have been around for a while know what it's good for and reach for it when needed. I'm with you. Use it when it's needed, before tearing down an engine if you can help it smile


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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: BrocLuno] #4210449
09/24/16 11:30 AM
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I use MMO in everything I own thats gas powered as I have a bulk tank that I mix it in. My carb/valve issues have all but disappeared.


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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: BrocLuno] #4210648
09/24/16 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: BrocLuno
I a thread over on iBoats, there was an ongoing discussion of a iffy engine. One of the posters said something about adding Marvel Mystery Oil (MMO). Got a rash of stuff back, but this was interesting:

MMO contains solvents such as such as kerosene, naphthalene, xylene, acetone or isopropanol. It always kills me that there's always people that think MMO (and other Snake-oils) are some kind of special double secret magic sauce that does something remarkable in an engine when added to either the oil or the fuel ...

Another poster responds:

Some years ago, MMO was added to fuel in an aircraft engine and the NTSB had the following to say about it at http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?...02LA181&akey=1

According to the FAA inspector, the additive that was added to the fuel was Marvel Mystery Oil. An empty 1 gallon can of Marvel Mystery Oil was found in the operator's trash. Instructions found on the can stated that the correct ratio for mixing with fuel was 1 part additive to 100 parts fuel. The contents of Marvel Mystery Oil were 74 percent mineral oil, 25 percent stoddard solvent, and 1 percent lard.

Well OK, maybe you should not use MMO in an aircraft engine or aircraft fuel, but in an oil burner/beater, why not ...

The Stoddard Solvent will free stuff ( laugh ), and the lard will be poor mans AutoRX (bio-oils), so that's cause to go get some all by itself. I think it's a bargain for what it does smile

I have used it on and off for decades on oil burners and rough running engines. About 75% of the time it'll help in one oil change interval.

I have moved on to BG109 and my fix in a can smile

But under some circumstances, I'd grab a can of MMO and go for it again laugh


IIRC that airplane issue was down to way too much MMO being added to the fuel (the link you provided doesn't work for me). I've never tried MMO so I can't speak to its efficacy but I don't think you can use that as an example of why not to use MMO. Any additive used in sufficiently high quantities is going to have negative effects.

Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: BrocLuno] #4210665
09/24/16 06:00 PM
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Havn't used it. Don't think I ever saw it in the UK, and certainly havn't here.

Nothing against it in principle, but it seems to me, if you want to put lard in your engine, then you put lard in your engine.

Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: Virtus_Probi] #4210682
09/24/16 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
FWIW, the Techron Fuel Injector Cleaner that is slightly cheaper than the PEA-laden Fuel System Cleaner has a <50% dose Stoddard solvent according to its MSDS (and is less than 10% PEA). The way those things are written is weird to me, the FIC is also <80% light distillates, so take your guess as to what the actual typical dose of Stoddard solvent is.


The stoddard solvent is just the solvent carrier for the PEA.

Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: BrocLuno] #4210725
09/24/16 07:24 PM
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NTSB comes to a lot of half-baked conclusions, so I'm not sure that I'd give too much weight to anything published by them.
I've never used MMO, but there are serious long-time members of this site who swear by it as both a fuel add and a cleaner add in engine oil, so who knows?


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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: KingCake] #4210806
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Originally Posted By: KingCake
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
FWIW, the Techron Fuel Injector Cleaner that is slightly cheaper than the PEA-laden Fuel System Cleaner has a <50% dose Stoddard solvent according to its MSDS (and is less than 10% PEA). The way those things are written is weird to me, the FIC is also <80% light distillates, so take your guess as to what the actual typical dose of Stoddard solvent is.


The stoddard solvent is just the solvent carrier for the PEA.


I have to correct myself here...I just looked up the latest MSDS for the products mentioned above.
The Fuel Injector Cleaner now shows that it is 70-99% light distillates, 3-7% 01154100-5179P (which I tentatively identified as the PEA previously), and 0.1-1% a new trade secret ingredient coded as 01154100-5323P.
The Fuel System Cleaner is now shown as 25-75% light distillates, 30-60% 5179P/PEA, 1-5% 5323P, and 0.5-1.5% naptha.


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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: Virtus_Probi] #4210960
09/25/16 06:45 AM
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"25-75% light distillates"

So plus or minus 50% percent. Pretty tight and consistent quality control then.

Or is that the amount of "noise" they are allowed to get away with when reporting the numbers?

Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: BrocLuno] #4210966
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If you think about it it is unlikely they would ever tell the exact formula.

I don't know about MMO, but in my biz they are allowed to claim secrecy on MDS sheets to avoid helping competitors...


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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: Ducked] #4211058
09/25/16 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted By: Ducked
"25-75% light distillates"

So plus or minus 50% percent. Pretty tight and consistent quality control then.

Or is that the amount of "noise" they are allowed to get away with when reporting the numbers?


Seems like companies are allowed to give the percentages in bizarrely wide ranges in these sheets so they can avoid giving away their exact formula.
Like the older one that said less than 50% of Stoddard solvent...well, that can be 0%, too!
FWIW, the name Stoddard in that solvent comes from a dry cleaner who helps develop the formula...it was originally developed to replace more dangerous dry cleaning fluids and was used for that purpose for decades.

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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: Virtus_Probi] #4211117
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Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted By: Ducked
"25-75% light distillates"

So plus or minus 50% percent. Pretty tight and consistent quality control then.

Or is that the amount of "noise" they are allowed to get away with when reporting the numbers?

Seems like companies are allowed to give the percentages in bizarrely wide ranges in these sheets so they can avoid giving away their exact formula.
Like the older one that said less than 50% of Stoddard solvent...well, that can be 0%, too!

I used to write MSDS at a previous job, trust me when I say no company gives away trade secrets in those sheets. They are strictly for firefighters, shippers and emergency responders, and are specifically written for those groups.

Moreover, if you can intentionally deceive your competitors by the description (yet truthfully describe for a firefighter) then all the better.


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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: BrocLuno] #4211541
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Re: Marvel Mystery Oil revealed ... [Re: BrocLuno] #4211609
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