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Harvest King Synthetic 5W-20 #4201467
09/12/16 07:05 PM
09/12/16 07:05 PM
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The Rural King falls! The Harvest King rises! A raven arrives from the Wizards of Fort Wayne, the ones known only as Blackstone! The raven croaks only two words: "Dexos Approved." I have already fallen in with this new King and utilized his mixture in my noble Ford, the horseless chariot that I call the Ponymobile, my loyalty purchased for the lowly price of $11.99 per jug.

Code:
OIL             Harvest King Synthetic 5W/20 
MILES IN USE    0       
MILES           0  
SAMPLE TAKEN    09/06/16

ALUMINUM        0   
CHROMIUM        0                
IRON            1              
COPPER          0             
LEAD            0             
TIN             0              
MOLYBDENUM      39              
NICKEL          0               
MANGANESE       0               
SILVER          0               
TITANIUM        0               
POTASSIUM       1               
BORON           1               
SILICON         5               
SODIUM          1             
CALCIUM         2065          
MAGNESIUM       27          
PHOSPHORUS      669            
ZINC            765         
BARIUM          0       
     
SUS VIS 210F   53.9
cSt @ 100C     8.46
FLASHPOINT F   420
FUEL %
ANTIFREEZE %
WATER %
INSOLUBLES      0.0         
TBN             -
TAN
ISO CODE          



Seriously, though, this is about the most generic looking VOA you will ever see.

Last edited by HappyLittlePony; 09/12/16 07:07 PM.
Re: Harvest King Synthetic 5W-20 [Re: HappyLittlePony] #4201481
09/12/16 07:21 PM
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Looks like a "cheaper" bargain oil. Which it is. Nothing wrong with it.

VOA's don't tell us much IMO. They are just for generally making sure and oil is fit for use as well as baselines. Many oils that look weak in VOAs are some of the better performers in UOAs. VWB and VSP come to mind..


Run a UOA on your second consecutive oil change to get the full story!

Thanks for posting!

Last edited by donnyj08; 09/12/16 07:21 PM.

2008 Silverado Z71 LT 90k Maxlife FS 5w30
2010 Ford Escape 172k QSUD 5w20
2016 Yamaha XSR900 12k, Rotella 15w40 Yamaha Filter.
Re: Harvest King Synthetic 5W-20 [Re: HappyLittlePony] #4201490
09/12/16 07:28 PM
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If it's Dexos, it can't be all bad.


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Re: Harvest King Synthetic 5W-20 [Re: bullwinkle] #4201719
09/13/16 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
If it's Dexos, it can't be all bad.


^^^ yup, run this oil 200k miles or one costing twice the price, with the same approvals and you shouldnt notice any difference.


14 Road King (current)
08 VStar 1300 Tourer
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Re: Harvest King Synthetic 5W-20 [Re: HappyLittlePony] #4201960
09/13/16 12:47 PM
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The land of USA-made Subies!
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The land of USA-made Subies!
I should have the 5W-30 VOA by next Monday. VI on the 5w-20 isn't that impressive, it's pretty thin at temperature as well. It's probably a good thing I got the 5W-30 since my bottle will be going into an engine with 137k.

Re: Harvest King Synthetic 5W-20 [Re: donnyj08] #4205085
09/17/16 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted By: donnyj08
Looks like a "cheaper" bargain oil. Which it is. Nothing wrong with it.

VOA's don't tell us much IMO. They are just for generally making sure and oil is fit for use as well as baselines. Many oils that look weak in VOAs are some of the better performers in UOAs. VWB and VSP come to mind..


Run a UOA on your second consecutive oil change to get the full story!

Thanks for posting!


You get what you pay for and this oil is only good for a short OCI, as it only has GTX levels of detergents and just a token amount of Moly. The fact it has no Boron will probably result in more upper cylinder wear, particularly as it is a low ash (Not much Zinc/Phosphorus) oil.

A VOA is very useful in comparing oils, for example the 2000 ppm of Calcium does not compare well with the 3000 in M1 or 4000 in Amsoil. Detergent content is very important in deciding how long an OCI an oil is good for. It is also very useful for analysis of a subsequent UOA, as are the average figures Blackstone Lab provides for most reports.

Last edited by UltrafanUK; 09/17/16 03:35 PM.

Shell Ultra 0 or 5w40 or Liqui Moly 5w40 plus Ceratec every long OCI.
LM idle flush every 100K km.
Re: Harvest King Synthetic 5W-20 [Re: HappyLittlePony] #4205562
09/18/16 09:48 AM
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That's a very bold assumption


09' Camry LE, 141,020 miles

PP 5w30 and TG 4967
Re: Harvest King Synthetic 5W-20 [Re: HappyLittlePony] #4205577
09/18/16 10:08 AM
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VOA's are useless for comparing oils. There are too many additive packages that hide ingredients that aren't tested. All I care about is "does this oil use sodium or not?"

This oil meets API SN. Good enough. Meeting Dexos1 is a bonus.

Re: Harvest King Synthetic 5W-20 [Re: HappyLittlePony] #4205600
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+10000


09' Camry LE, 141,020 miles

PP 5w30 and TG 4967
Re: Harvest King Synthetic 5W-20 [Re: HappyLittlePony] #4206226
09/19/16 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted By: HappyLittlePony
VOA's are useless for comparing oils. There are too many additive packages that hide ingredients that aren't tested. All I care about is "does this oil use sodium or not?"

This oil meets API SN. Good enough. Meeting Dexos1 is a bonus.


Not true as all of the detergents and anti wear additives used by the major brand oil companies are listed.
It's the base stock type that you can't figure out.

I check the following key elements in a VOA:
Anti wear:
Moly, Boron, Zinc and Titanium.
Detergents:
Calcium, Magnesium and Sodium (I don't like Na as it confuses the UOA results as regards anti freeze contamination and is only used in budget oils).

Some companies talk about secret undetectable additives, but I think you will find they don't exist in anti wear or detergent terms. VI additives are about the only ones not visible, although you don't need to know about them.

Last edited by UltrafanUK; 09/19/16 02:44 AM.

Shell Ultra 0 or 5w40 or Liqui Moly 5w40 plus Ceratec every long OCI.
LM idle flush every 100K km.
Re: Harvest King Synthetic 5W-20 [Re: HappyLittlePony] #4206630
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Nothing wrong with Sodium in motor oil at all. There are also additives we CANNOT see in a VOA for your info. I would read some of Molakules links btw


09' Camry LE, 141,020 miles

PP 5w30 and TG 4967
Re: Harvest King Synthetic 5W-20 [Re: HappyLittlePony] #4503252
08/31/17 11:26 AM
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Just picked up a 2011 Ford Fusion SE with the 2.5 engine (76,000 miles). Will be running the HK Syn 5w-20 ($9.99 for 5 quarts) and whatever $3 filters I can find, on a 5,000 mile (3 month) interval.

Seriously considering buying a dozen of the Fram Pro oil filters from Rock Auto, for $1.54 each (this is a regular price, not a closeout).

Car will be driven around 20,000 miles per year, mostly on the highway and interstate.


2004 Silverado - on its 3rd Jasper engine in less than one year.
Re: Harvest King Synthetic 5W-20 [Re: mrsilv04] #4504089
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Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Just picked up a 2011 Ford Fusion SE with the 2.5 engine (76,000 miles). Will be running the HK Syn 5w-20 ($9.99 for 5 quarts) and whatever $3 filters I can find, on a 5,000 mile (3 month) interval.

Seriously considering buying a dozen of the Fram Pro oil filters from Rock Auto, for $1.54 each (this is a regular price, not a closeout).

Car will be driven around 20,000 miles per year, mostly on the highway and interstate.


At 20K a year of "mostly on the highway and interstate" driving....I think 3 OCIs annually (approx. 6600 mile OCI) should work fine on HK FS oil. The 2.5 has a 5.7 qt. capacity which should make this a walk in the park for this Citgo sourced synthetic. The dexos license # are exactly the same for HK synthetics and Citgo synthetics so I'd assume the oils are identical.


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Re: Harvest King Synthetic 5W-20 [Re: pbm] #4504879
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Originally Posted By: pbm
At 20K a year of "mostly on the highway and interstate" driving....I think 3 OCIs annually (approx. 6600 mile OCI) should work fine on HK FS oil. The 2.5 has a 5.7 qt. capacity which should make this a walk in the park for this Citgo sourced synthetic. The dexos license # are exactly the same for HK synthetics and Citgo synthetics so I'd assume the oils are identical.


I picked up my first two changes worth tonight. The 5 quart jugs of HK Synthetic were down to $8.79 for a 5 quart jug ($1.76 a quart for Synthetic!), due to a 12% rebate special that RK is running right now.

With some other items at AAP, got 2 CarQuest Red filters for $2.51 each ($3.59 - 30% discount).

This is really close to a $13 full synthetic (dexos1) 6 quart oil change, with a CQ filter.


2004 Silverado - on its 3rd Jasper engine in less than one year.
Re: Harvest King Synthetic 5W-20 [Re: HappyLittlePony] #4505083
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I'd probably run a 7500 mile OCI on that HK syn/CQ red combo...like I said, the large (5.7 qt.) sump should make this easily doable.


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