rooflessVW said:As for Lexus, always been and always will be redesigned Toyota Camry.
Ok this I couldn't leave alone. Yes the ES is a Camry, however it's made in Japan not the US and the quality and attention to detail go from superb on the Camry to obsessive on the ES.
However with the exception of a few models, Lexus brings cars to the US market that aren't available as a "re badged Toyota". For example the iS, GS, RC, LS all RWD/AWD models with V-6/V-8 power. What are their us Toyota equivalent? There isn't one. Styling is what it is, love it or don't, but making a blanket statement that they're all a Camry is misleading and borderline ignorant, or at the very least intended to just be inflammatory.
rooflessVW said:As for Lexus, always been and always will be redesigned Toyota Camry.
Ok this I couldn't leave alone. Yes the ES is a Camry, however it's made in Japan not the US and the quality and attention to detail go from superb on the Camry to obsessive on the ES.
However with the exception of a few models, Lexus brings cars to the US market that aren't available as a "re badged Toyota". For example the iS, GS, RC, LS all RWD/AWD models with V-6/V-8 power. What are their us Toyota equivalent? There isn't one. Styling is what it is, love it or don't, but making a blanket statement that they're all a Camry is misleading and borderline ignorant, or at the very least intended to just be inflammatory.
I'm glad you like your boring vanilla cars. Lexus cars are bland, have cheap Toyota switchgear and materials, and their models that don't have a direct Toyota equivalent are still boring, sterile, and have stupid faces. They're reliable and have great resale value, and if that is all that is important to you, so be it. But own it, and don't try to pretend that Lexus makes interesting or fun vehicles.
Sorry, not sorry.
Back on topic, If the only recommended oil for a BMW is a 0W-20, I will use a 0W-20. If there is a thicker option specified in the manual, I will use that.
rooflessVW said:As for Lexus, always been and always will be redesigned Toyota Camry.
Ok this I couldn't leave alone. Yes the ES is a Camry, however it's made in Japan not the US and the quality and attention to detail go from superb on the Camry to obsessive on the ES.
However with the exception of a few models, Lexus brings cars to the US market that aren't available as a "re badged Toyota". For example the iS, GS, RC, LS all RWD/AWD models with V-6/V-8 power. What are their us Toyota equivalent? There isn't one. Styling is what it is, love it or don't, but making a blanket statement that they're all a Camry is misleading and borderline ignorant, or at the very least intended to just be inflammatory.
I drove new Camry, and wondered whether they put ANY isolation in the car.
As for built quality, yeah, Lexus really does pay attention. You buy GS 350, nice inside, high quality materials, until you figure out that engine in GS350 is the same engine like in Camry, Highlander etc. except bit of ECU tune up.
So, please, V6 Lexus is nothing but ECU tuned Toyota. Yes, materials are good, but technology wise? NA market is getting lexuses that are based on old technology for the purpose of reliability. Lexus in Europe on other hand offer diesel options, and considering Toyota's diesel track there, I would say they are less reliable then ANY European counterpart.
Again, that does not change a fact that laying on your couch in the living room is same experience as driving Lexus.