Recent Topics
oil for 2.5 2013 vw passat?
by jstert. 12/13/18 09:47 AM
Scotty Kilmer Parody
by oilpsi2high. 12/13/18 09:41 AM
ID this old tool
by John_Conrad. 12/13/18 09:30 AM
Weak New CR2032/remote start + fob batteries
by redhat. 12/13/18 09:23 AM
Smart charges/time
by Duffyjr. 12/13/18 08:24 AM
7.3 powerstroke water pump
by mobilaltima. 12/13/18 07:10 AM
98 Jeep Cherokee, what oil is spec'd?
by otis24. 12/13/18 06:31 AM
fixing LED Christmas lights
by danez_yoda. 12/13/18 06:30 AM
Things are not as they seem to be..
by CourierDriver. 12/13/18 06:09 AM
Oz Ranger Raptor
by Shannow. 12/13/18 05:22 AM
Shop vac recommendations
by dlundblad. 12/13/18 05:06 AM
Internet Network Issues
by ZeeOSix. 12/13/18 04:13 AM
Looking for Fram Ultra XG30 and XG5 cut open
by rubberchicken. 12/12/18 10:27 PM
92 f150 332 code
by ram_man. 12/12/18 10:05 PM
Mixing brands of brake fluid / gear lube
by SureshR. 12/12/18 09:26 PM
45,000 miles in the Caprice.
by ls1mike. 12/12/18 09:21 PM
Quality oils?
by Horsehaulin. 12/12/18 09:16 PM
Newest Members
Poles19, HinaMach, Horsehaulin, JLew, bmrk1100
66666 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
108 registered members (Aero540T, ammolab, Ag76, aba4430, 97f150, 4WD, 11 invisible), 1,775 guests, and 40 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums67
Topics295,018
Posts4,926,087
Members66,666
Most Online2,553
Oct 27th, 2018
Donate to BITOG
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Cooper's new UHP all-season tire, the Zeon RS3-G1 #4183204
08/21/16 09:11 PM
08/21/16 09:11 PM
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 7,324
USA
slacktide_bitog Offline OP
slacktide_bitog  Offline OP
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 7,324
USA
50k warranty (unless you have a staggered setup, then it's 25k)

UTQG 500 AA A

The Zeon RS3-G1 is asymmetric. I'm going to guess it will be made in China, since it's replacing the Zeon RS3-A which is Chinese. It appears to be available in the same sizes the RS3-A was offered in.

There doesn't seem to be a replacement for the summer-only RS3-S, which is also Chinese

Cooper Zeon RS3-G1


Re: Cooper's new UHP all-season tire, the Zeon RS3-G1 [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4183224
08/21/16 09:28 PM
08/21/16 09:28 PM
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 42,299
New Jersey
JHZR2 Offline
JHZR2  Offline
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 42,299
New Jersey
Chinese, no thanks. I've got a few sets of US made coopers, but if they offshore, I'll look elsewhere.

Re: Cooper's new UHP all-season tire, the Zeon RS3-G1 [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4183225
08/21/16 09:30 PM
08/21/16 09:30 PM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 594
Crown Point, IN
dan_erickson Offline
dan_erickson  Offline
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 594
Crown Point, IN
I have had fantastic luck with my "China" Coopers


15 Accord Coupe EX-L V6 Navi
Castrol Magnatec 0w20

Re: Cooper's new UHP all-season tire, the Zeon RS3-G1 [Re: dan_erickson] #4183254
08/21/16 10:05 PM
08/21/16 10:05 PM
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,970
MTL, CANADA
Rolla07 Offline
Rolla07  Offline
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,970
MTL, CANADA
Originally Posted By: dan_erickson
I have had fantastic luck with my "China" Coopers


I just got a set of rs3-a, old model of this tire and have been very impressed. I had Pirelli P7 all season plus before and so far think these are a notch above. Despite being made in China. Pricepoint was also lower than made in mexico p7's.

Last edited by Rolla07; 08/21/16 10:05 PM.

2007 Corolla Red Pearl 155k miles
PP 0w20 & ST 4967

Re: Cooper's new UHP all-season tire, the Zeon RS3-G1 [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4183334
08/22/16 03:16 AM
08/22/16 03:16 AM
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 2,472
Rochester, MI, US, World
Klutch9 Offline
Klutch9  Offline
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 2,472
Rochester, MI, US, World
That outside tread block looks a LOT like the Michelin Pilot Sport AS/3.


'11 Fusion SE 2.5L - 83k miles - HK 0w20 syn, Wix XP filter
'08 Sedona LX LWB 3.8L - 129k miles - Havoline HM 5w20, Auto7 filter
Re: Cooper's new UHP all-season tire, the Zeon RS3-G1 [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4183785
08/22/16 02:12 PM
08/22/16 02:12 PM
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 10,008
Upstate NY
sciphi Offline
sciphi  Offline
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 10,008
Upstate NY
If these are supposed to be higher-performance than the CS5 Ultra Touring tires I recently put onto my Cruze, they'll be gumballs in the wet and dry. Cooper's been making some solid tires lately, regardless of COO.


2013 Toyota RAV4 XLE
2012 Chevrolet Cruze Eco
Re: Cooper's new UHP all-season tire, the Zeon RS3-G1 [Re: sciphi] #4183965
08/22/16 06:25 PM
08/22/16 06:25 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,138
NE,Ohio
Rand Offline
Rand  Offline
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,138
NE,Ohio
They may or may not have more "traction"

But certainly better handling/cornering and worse ride.

I'd like to see a sidewall photo before I condemn them to being chinese without any info.

Most likely same place they made the rs3-a but thats just a WAG at this point.


2019 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk 2.0T
Re: Cooper's new UHP all-season tire, the Zeon RS3-G1 [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4184393
08/23/16 08:46 AM
08/23/16 08:46 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 3,476
Somewhere in the US
CapriRacer Offline
CapriRacer  Offline
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 3,476
Somewhere in the US
Some thoughts on *Chinese* tires.

Every tire manufacturer I know anything about has a quality department - and they have published standards and procedures. For those who are aware of it, TS16949 was the last international standard being used by the tire industry (I hope I got that number correct!) TS16949 is more about having standards and procedures, and that they are being followed - and not about what those standards are.

The internal standards for any given tire manufacturer typically comply with TS 16949 and there are independent auditors who verify this. I know of no vehicle manufacturers who does not require this audit for supplying tires to them - and many require much more.

There was a time where Cooper wasn't supplying tires to any vehicle manufacturer. I heard through the grapevine that the reason was because of the added expense and hassle of doing these audits. I now see that Cooper is indeed supplying tires to a few vehicle manufacturers, so they must have stepped up and started following TS16949.

But while TS16949 is applicable across the entire corporation, there maybe a few individual plants not included in the certification. However, the system would be in place and it would be a fairly easy matter to get ALL plants up to speed.

And there are good reasons to do so. It's a whole lot easier if the management has only one quality standard to deal with. Plus, each plant competes with all the other plants using these kind of indicators as a guide as to how each is doing (productivity, cost, etc are also indicators.)

So I think any major tire manufacturer can be counted on to have these quality standards in place for pretty much all of their plants, regardless of where the plants are located.

I also think that tire manufacturers who are new to the US market - ala Chinese, Indian, and other Asian based companies - will go through the same process the Japanese and Koreans went through: Their first products didn't do so well, but they improved over time as they learned what was needed to compete with the big boys. As an example, the first Honda's weren't very good, but look at them now.


CapriRacer

Visit my web site: www.BarrysTireTech.com
Re: Cooper's new UHP all-season tire, the Zeon RS3-G1 [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4184419
08/23/16 09:15 AM
08/23/16 09:15 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,431
USA
stephen9666 Offline
stephen9666  Offline
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,431
USA
I agree with the above post.

I don't love the idea of buying Chinese tires. I've avoided them in the past, but I would consider a tire made in China in a factory run by one of the major companies I'd normally buy from.

Where you really get into the sketchy Chinese tires are when you've buying cheap, no-name tires sold by a tire marketer and made on contract by a small no-name tire factory in China.

Re: Cooper's new UHP all-season tire, the Zeon RS3-G1 [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4184834
08/23/16 06:17 PM
08/23/16 06:17 PM
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,548
KY
MCompact Offline
MCompact  Offline
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,548
KY
I bought two sets of RS3-As, one set was made in the US, one set in China- I could tell no difference in performance, quality, or longevity.


Mine:
2014 M235i
2009 Cooper Clubman
1999 Wrangler Sahara
1995 318ti Club Sport

Wife's:
2015 X1 xDrive28i


Son's
2009 328i

Buy what makes you smile...
Re: Cooper's new UHP all-season tire, the Zeon RS3-G1 [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4184865
08/23/16 06:44 PM
08/23/16 06:44 PM
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 338
Pennsylvania
Reggaemon Offline
Reggaemon  Offline
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 338
Pennsylvania
I'm sure the tires made in China can be as good as tires made anywhere, but If I'm spending
almost $1000 for a set of tires I would like to think that some of that money is going
into the pockets of my neighbors.

My Cooper Ultra Touring tires were made in the US. Had considered Pirellis but...

Last edited by Reggaemon; 08/23/16 06:47 PM.
Re: Cooper's new UHP all-season tire, the Zeon RS3-G1 [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4185099
08/24/16 01:13 AM
08/24/16 01:13 AM
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 60
CA
SR20DE Offline
SR20DE  Offline
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 60
CA
The name brand vs. Chinese debate is always interesting. I personally try to go with tires with the best reviews, but sometimes you end up with something different whilst buying a used car, etc. Before I bought my current (used) Mazda5, I tried to buy one that happened to have Hi-Fly tires. Being that this was a family hauler, I would have felt uneasy driving on them and replaced them with something more proven.

OTOH searching for tire recalls always shocks me with the "top tier" brands having numerous (albeit small) recalls:
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/tire-recalls

Re: Cooper's new UHP all-season tire, the Zeon RS3-G1 [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4185269
08/24/16 09:06 AM
08/24/16 09:06 AM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,138
NE,Ohio
Rand Offline
Rand  Offline
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,138
NE,Ohio
I emailed cooper and sadly these are all made in China.


2019 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk 2.0T
Re: Cooper's new UHP all-season tire, the Zeon RS3-G1 [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4532260
10/02/17 05:37 PM
10/02/17 05:37 PM
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 3,362
Somewhere
itguy08 Offline
itguy08  Offline
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 3,362
Somewhere
Found this thread while searching and thought it may be due for resurrection....

Put a set of these on the Taurus SHO to replace a 60k worn out set of Michelin Primacy MXV4's that was on there. For the price ($164 ea for 245/45R20XL) and $100 rebate on 4 I don't think you can touch them in the value department.

Yes, they were made in China by Cooper Kenda according to the DOT code. A little old with a 1216 DOT Code but still looked great.

So far they cured a vibration at speed that had been there for a long while on the Michelins. Much quieter than the Michelins although that's to be expected with new vs dead tires.

Walmart also did a fantastic job mounting and balancing them. Took about 45 minutes and I even saw them break out the torque wrench to tighten the lug nuts.

Will be interesting to see how these wear.

Last edited by itguy08; 10/02/17 05:43 PM.
Re: Cooper's new UHP all-season tire, the Zeon RS3-G1 [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4532496
10/02/17 09:28 PM
10/02/17 09:28 PM
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 391
Western usa
Ammofirst Offline
Ammofirst  Offline
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 391
Western usa
Long Duck Dong is running these on his Geely.


BOB IS THE OIL GUY® Powered by UBB.threads™