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Shell Helix Conventional / Semi-Synth Oils #4146392
07/08/16 09:00 PM
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I've noticed these oils are not discussed very often here on BITOG, presumably as they are not available in the U.S.A., and the user-base here is mostly from North America.

Of particular interest to me is Shell's Conventional HX5 15w40 (A3/B3): http://www.cnergyasiapac.com/assets/Uploads/Shell-Helix-HX5-15W-40-SN-A3-B3-en-TDS.pdf

As well as their Semi-Synthetic A3/B4 10w40: http://www.omf.com.tr/assets/upload/serv...12015050555.pdf

These oils are often sold at very reasonable prices, and seem to have a reasonable set of specifications. Is the Helix range of oils good quality, or is the price indicative of a lower level of quality in these products?
I'm quite curious of people's experiences with this product. As they possess the ACEA spec., it would seem they would be reasonably well-suited to any number of applications.


'93 BMW 320i 217,000km - Valvoline Engine-Armour 15w40, Mann Filter.
Re: Shell Helix Conventional / Semi-Synth Oils [Re: B320i] #4146398
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I would not hesitate to use that oil. Reputable supplier excellent specs. I'd put it in my vehicles.

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B320i,
the engineer in me knows that the Helix, GTX, and XLD 15W40s would be everything I ever need, and can often be bought for sub $20 for 5 litres.

But I just can't stop doing what I'm doing with synthetics and THEIR specials.

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Shell owns Pennzoil, so I guess they push Pennzoil in the US, Shell in other markets. Same as BP - you don't see BP oil around anymore, but lots of Castrol, which they own.


1987 BMW R65 - Penrite V Twin 20/50
2005 Nissan Expert - Gulf Western 10W-40
1996 Volvo T5 - Penrite HPR15 - 15W-60. Ryco syntec filter.
Re: Shell Helix Conventional / Semi-Synth Oils [Re: B320i] #4146511
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I ran HX7 in my diesel for years (and HX5 sometimes too), it was the best semi-synth I tried regarding smoothness and keeping engine noise low throughout the OCI (also the only semi-synth I tried with MB 229.3).

But then I discovered bitog and learnt I could actually try other oils than 10W40 or 15W40...and soon discovered that HX7 was still inferior in term of feeling and durability to synthetic oils like Rimula R6M or the Total Quartz I'm currently using.

So for me there's no interest anymore in these oils since prices here are not that competitive, but if price is good I think HX7 may serve you well, depending on the use of course...oil cooled turbocharged diesel with fuel dilution issue is obviously not the best application if you aren't considering short OCI smile


Edit: VOAs show good add pack for HX7, never really paid attention to HX5 actually. I did several short OCI with HX7 when I bought my Barchetta, to clean things a bit.

Last edited by Popsy; 07/09/16 12:52 AM.

96 Barchetta, Motul 300V 5W40 | 98 Barchetta, Quartz 9000 energy 5W40
05 Forfour 95, SHU 0W40 (gf's car) | 10 Colt Ralliart, 300V 0W40
Re: Shell Helix Conventional / Semi-Synth Oils [Re: B320i] #4146529
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Hey B320i

It's Shell in Australia, NZ, Europe and most other places , but Pennzoil / Quaker State in North America (SOPUS).

Both Shell Ultra & Pennzoil Ultra use the same code words, PurePlus, for GTL based oils. There was a industry guy on this site for a bit (Joe90Guy) who said Shell did a good quality job on their oils, even though he personally didn't like the company ethos.

I always thought that in Australia, Shell gave you the best bang for your buck. About a month ago they had the semi-synthetic Shell Helix HX7 10W-40 (SN, A3/B4, MB 229.3, VW 502/505, RN 700/710) on sale at $20 for 5L. That is a LOT of oil for your money, especially given that GTX 15W-40 mineral has a regular price of $36 for 5L.

Shell also make a full synthetic HX8 5W-30 (SN, A3/B4, etc) that is probably the least expensive full synthetic (Grp III) oil on the Australian market. Nothing came close until the full synthetic Castrol Magnatec appeared, but the HX8 still beats it by a few dollars on most days.

Then you have the GTL Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 (SN, A3/B4, MB 229.5, BMW LL-01, Porsche A40) it's the least expensive oil with all these specs in Australia. You can pick this up for $65 or less (I got some for $40) when the roughly equivalent M1 0W-40 is more than $100 even on sale.

As the others above have said, logically all you need is HX5 15W-40 mineral, HX7 10W-40 semi-synthetic, HX8 5W-30 synthetic or Ultra 5W-40 GTL and you have pretty much covered most people with a quality product at the best local price. The rest is just playing around, more of a hobby for me.


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Re: Shell Helix Conventional / Semi-Synth Oils [Re: B320i] #4146534
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Shell Hx7 10w40 is what i will probably use for my next oil change for my Pug 106


1975 Ford Capri II Ghia 3000 V6, - Shell Helix HX3 20W-50 w/ 20% Rimula R4X 15W-40 HDEO.

1988 Ford Escort Mk4 Xr3i Cabrio, - Shell Rimula R4X 15W-40, w/ 30% Helix 3 20W-50.
Re: Shell Helix Conventional / Semi-Synth Oils [Re: SR5] #4146538
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Originally Posted By: SR5
Hey B320i

I always thought that in Australia, Shell gave you the best bang for your buck. About a month ago they had the semi-synthetic Shell Helix HX7 10W-40 (SN, A3/B4, MB 229.3, VW 502/505, RN 700/710) on sale at $20 for 5L. That is a LOT of oil for your money, especially given that GTX 15W-40 mineral has a regular price of $36 for 5L.

Shell also make a full synthetic HX8 5W-30 (SN, A3/B4, etc) that is probably the least expensive full synthetic (Grp III) oil on the Australian market. Nothing came close until the full synthetic Castrol Magnatec appeared, but the HX8 still beats it by a few dollars on most days.

Then you have the GTL Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 (SN, A3/B4, MB 229.5, BMW LL-01, Porsche A40) it's the least expensive oil with all these specs in Australia. You can pick this up for $65 or less (I got some for $40) when the roughly equivalent M1 0W-40 is more than $100 even on sale.

As the others above have said, logically all you need is HX5 15W-40 mineral, HX7 10W-40 semi-synthetic, HX8 5W-30 synthetic or Ultra 5W-40 GTL and you have pretty much covered most people with a quality product at the best local price. The rest is just playing around, more of a hobby for me.


I agree - the value seems very good for the Shell oils, and these oils look more than capable of going the distance. So it seems my concerns of quality are unfounded, and the oils will perform to expectation.

As I said, I'm practically 'done' with the fully-synthetic oils/LongLife approval nonsense, hurts the old wallet far too much. Fact is, the car is from 1993 and suggested API SG / CCMC-G5 oils for the factory interval of about 12,000km. Doing 6000-7000km intervals, I don't have much to worry about.

Just looking now, the Helix HX5 15w-40 is going at around $30 for 5L, with the Castrol GTX equivalent at about $35-$36 as you say. The HX7 10w-40 is at just $32 at Kmart, not bad.

The simple product variety is a nice breath of fresh air.
Always seems pointless to me having 0/5/10/15w-30/40 etc., when one or two of each meeting the appropriate specification does the job just fine. I guess its for different tastes and price ranges.

I'm going to suggest a "watch this space," once the car is due an oil change, looks like Shell Helix 15w-40 or 10w-40 is going to be "it." Will hopefully remember to do a UOA and/or VOA, too.

Thanks for the neat little breakdown, SR5.

Originally Posted By: Popsy
I ran HX7 in my diesel for years (and HX5 sometimes too), it was the best semi-synth I tried regarding smoothness and keeping engine noise low throughout the OCI (also the only semi-synth I tried with MB 229.3).

Very interesting. Aside from Rotella T6, which I sourced on eBay (being in Australia: good price for a synth, by the way!), my experiences thus far with Penrite and Mobil aren't great for noise levels.

The Rotella really did hush things up nicely, although the lifter were still noticeable. My aim is to do some shorter intervals to try and clean things a bit, and hopefully a good -40 may be an improvement over the -50 in there at present. So no need for a synthetic at $88 + $10 shipping.

Originally Posted By: Shannow
he engineer in me knows that the Helix, GTX, and XLD 15W40s would be everything I ever need, and can often be bought for sub $20 for 5 litres.

But I just can't stop doing what I'm doing with synthetics and THEIR specials.

I understand the temptation to try different oils, especially if the price is right. As I've come to understand, those oils are really all most people need. Simple, good prices and meet the latest API certifications, and in some cases, ACEA A3/B4 too.

In my searches here on BITOG, there has been mention of the XHVI or "Slack Wax" that Shell and others were using in many of their conventional oils. It is supposedly superior to your typical Group 3/Hydrocracked Synthetic. Has the use of this product decreased with the new GTL base-stocks now in use?


'93 BMW 320i 217,000km - Valvoline Engine-Armour 15w40, Mann Filter.
Re: Shell Helix Conventional / Semi-Synth Oils [Re: B320i] #4146543
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Originally Posted By: B320i
In my searches here on BITOG, there has been mention of the XHVI or "Slack Wax" that Shell and others were using in many of their conventional oils. It is supposedly superior to your typical Group 3/Hydrocracked Synthetic. Has the use of this product decreased with the new GTL base-stocks now in use?


Shell still sell their XHVI, and as it was stated when I worked at a Shell servo in 1986/7, "mineral oil with synthetic performance"...

the GTL, I understand (may be wrong), they polymerise the gas to a wax,then crack it back to lube oil.

Re: Shell Helix Conventional / Semi-Synth Oils [Re: B320i] #4146553
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Yeah that KMart price of $32 for 5L of HX7 (everyday) puts a lot of auto stores to shame.

I tend to watch the sales and buy my oil in advance, when it's at a good price. To me that's 35% or more off at places like Repco, SCA and AutoBarn. I can't believe I use to pay full price at places like that.

This is what's happening right now, sale wise in Oz
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4143423/


Penrite Vantage 10W40 SN & A3/B4 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154
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I went to the shops today, at KMart, regular price:
- Shell Helix HX5 15W-40 mineral oil in the yellow bottle was $26 for 5L ( API SN, ACEA A3/B3).
- Shell Helix HX7 10W-40 semi-synthetic in the blue bottle was $32 for 5L (SN, A3/B4, MB 229.3, VW 502/505)

Then I went to a few other stores looking for a similar product, regular price:
- Castrol GTX 15W-40 mineral was $36 (SN, A3/B3)
- Valvoline DuraBlend 10W-40 semi-synthetic was $45 (SN, A3/B4, MB 229.1 )

If you are not chasing specials, you are $13 and a MB grade better off buying Shell at KMart.

KMart also had some good prices on Valvoline DOT 4 Brake fluid, and Shell SAE 30 monograde (API SF). I should pay a bit more attention to KMart, I keep forgetting about them.


Penrite Vantage 10W40 SN & A3/B4 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154
Re: Shell Helix Conventional / Semi-Synth Oils [Re: B320i] #4147271
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Interesting this topic was moved. While I don't want to chuck a wobbly; the oil isn't specific to Europe or European cars, nor is it an import product. Just plain old PCMO.

Oh well. The suggestion I'd make is instead of European Oils, having a section for boutique or "approved" oils, plus a section for everything else.

Thanks for the observations, SR5. Will have to go and grab some Helix whilst its on special, then. Those are some really great prices you've found. As you said, puts the rest to shame.


'93 BMW 320i 217,000km - Valvoline Engine-Armour 15w40, Mann Filter.
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Hey B320i,

No rush, they are everyday prices at KMart, not specials. But it shows you how expensive the other places are.

Yeah, I was expecting this thread to get moved, even though you were asking about a regular Shell PCMO.
Here, PCMO = Oils you can buy in North America (mostly ILSAC)
Imported & European = Oils from outside North America.

Wouldn't want to confuse the casual reader, they may ask for Shell HX7 at Walmart, and the next thing you know - Riots !

Still, given the history and origin of the site, it makes sense. In general, I find the people here most welcoming.


Penrite Vantage 10W40 SN & A3/B4 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154
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What is the SOPUS North America product equivelent to: Shell Helix HX7 10W-40 semi-synthetic in the blue bottle was $32 for 5L (SN, A3/B4, MB 229.3, VW 502/505) ??

I'm pretty sure there is a Shell, Pennzoil, or Quaker State match up...

Sorry, watch elder and have to go, so maybe someone else will chime in smile


Formerly in marine engineering. In an earlier life I owned my own petroleum tank truck, and hauled for the majors and independent's.
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Everyday prices, SR5? Well, I guess Mobil, Castrol, Penrite and others can stick their oils cool - that is just ridiculously good.

Those prices put the Helix HX5 15w-40 at $5.20 per litre and the HX7 10w-40 at $6.40 per litre. Dare I say, but that must be about as close as you get to USA's "cheap" here in Australia.


'93 BMW 320i 217,000km - Valvoline Engine-Armour 15w40, Mann Filter.
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