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#4132594 - 06/23/16 09:53 AM RIP chlorine containing products 1930-2017
Diesel_Don Offline


Registered: 06/13/16
Posts: 6
Loc: Northeast
Looks like the EPA is stopping the production (and importation) of chlorinated paraffin containing products in the middle of 2017. Its a good lubricant but not so much in engines due to accelerated wear over time and potentially creating hazardous waste. I know theres plenty of additives out there with them Duralube, MK, Prolong, etc.

I wonder what the companies will switch to, chlorinated paraffins are hard to beat for cost/lubricating ability. Be on the lookout since they can still technically sell them, they just have to stop producing them.

Wouldnt mind making a list of products, if you guys know any more off the top of your head; and then we can watch to see how they react in the next few months. Most of them are smaller companies but maybe theyll come up with some new technology.
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#4132611 - 06/23/16 10:03 AM Re: RIP chlorine containing products 1930-2017 [Re: Diesel_Don]
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Registered: 08/24/11
Posts: 9560
Loc: Boston, MA
I suppose they could switch back to PTFE for their mouse milk.

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#4132624 - 06/23/16 10:15 AM Re: RIP chlorine containing products 1930-2017 [Re: Diesel_Don]
JTK Offline


Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 10567
Loc: Buffalo, NY
Chlorine in general. I know the big chlorine producers in the area where I work have shifted their production almost entirely to bleach because of EPA, shipping and storage concerns.
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#4132646 - 06/23/16 10:31 AM Re: RIP chlorine containing products 1930-2017 [Re: JTK]
Bgallagher Offline


Registered: 04/17/12
Posts: 3159
Loc: Boston, MA
I heard about that. Was that in the Dupont factories up there?

Shame, seems like the "old school" things that used to work well are slowly being phased out. No more Phosphorous
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#4133153 - 06/23/16 07:50 PM Re: RIP chlorine containing products 1930-2017 [Re: Diesel_Don]
dailydriver Offline


Registered: 03/14/06
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Loc: Pennsylbammyvania
I believe that the Militec additive had a high CP content as well??
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#4174800 - 08/11/16 08:04 PM Re: RIP chlorine containing products 1930-2017 [Re: Diesel_Don]
Darkfire Offline


Registered: 06/11/11
Posts: 129
Loc: MI
Originally Posted By: Diesel_Don
Looks like the EPA is stopping the production (and importation) of chlorinated paraffin containing products in the middle of 2017. Its a good lubricant but not so much in engines due to accelerated wear over time and potentially creating hazardous waste. I know theres plenty of additives out there with them Duralube, MK, Prolong, etc.

I wonder what the companies will switch to, chlorinated paraffins are hard to beat for cost/lubricating ability. Be on the lookout since they can still technically sell them, they just have to stop producing them.

Wouldnt mind making a list of products, if you guys know any more off the top of your head; and then we can watch to see how they react in the next few months. Most of them are smaller companies but maybe theyll come up with some new technology.

Does this mean they won't be able to make MMO anymore as it's currently formulated?

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#4177151 - 08/14/16 05:06 PM Re: RIP chlorine containing products 1930-2017 [Re: Diesel_Don]
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Registered: 03/20/08
Posts: 6149
Loc: USA
I thought they were banned years ago!

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#4245585 - 11/09/16 05:25 PM Re: RIP chlorine containing products 1930-2017 [Re: Diesel_Don]
Exhaustgases Offline


Registered: 12/18/11
Posts: 87
Loc: wa
Haaa I hope its RIP with all the wicked epa garbage now. Thanks to the latest elections.


Edited by Exhaustgases (11/09/16 05:27 PM)

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#4245591 - 11/09/16 05:36 PM Re: RIP chlorine containing products 1930-2017 [Re: Exhaustgases]
DBMaster Offline


Registered: 09/18/12
Posts: 5322
Loc: DFW
Originally Posted By: Exhaustgases
Haaa I hope its RIP with all the wicked epa garbage now. Thanks to the latest elections.


Sure, why not. What's a little cancer, lung disease, birth defects, and premature death between friends where maximum profit is concerned.

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#4245608 - 11/09/16 06:14 PM Re: RIP chlorine containing products 1930-2017 [Re: DBMaster]
Vern_in_IL Offline


Registered: 06/25/14
Posts: 1884
Loc: IL
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Originally Posted By: Exhaustgases
Haaa I hope its RIP with all the wicked epa garbage now. Thanks to the latest elections.


Sure, why not. What's a little cancer, lung disease, birth defects, and premature death between friends where maximum profit is concerned.


Well, my Great Grandpa said that the best products are the most toxic. (because the new EPA formula is never as good)


Edited by Vern_in_IL (11/09/16 06:15 PM)
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#4245660 - 11/09/16 07:24 PM Re: RIP chlorine containing products 1930-2017 [Re: Darkfire]
PeterPolyol Offline


Registered: 03/06/16
Posts: 1345
Loc: toronto
Shoot! It all started when they took away muh DDT, lousy enviro-kooks. I bet it's a Chinese plot!

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#4245757 - 11/09/16 10:30 PM Re: RIP chlorine containing products 1930-2017 [Re: Diesel_Don]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 19042
Loc: Iowegia - USA
The EPA and the Enviro-Freaks need to take five basic courses:

1. Logic and the Scientific Method (A great course for determining cause and effect)

2. Chemistry (A great course for learning something really scientific)

3. Physics (A great course for learning something really scientific)

5. Statistics (A great course for weeding out un-related data)

6. Biology (A great course for determining the interaction of cells with environmental materials)

grin2


Edited by MolaKule (11/09/16 10:32 PM)

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#4245767 - 11/09/16 11:03 PM Re: RIP chlorine containing products 1930-2017 [Re: MolaKule]
PeterPolyol Offline


Registered: 03/06/16
Posts: 1345
Loc: toronto
That's to assume they're not "scientific enough" rather than "abusing science" for other, dubious, political purposes. I mean, just read that DDT ad, they were so sure and why shouldn't they have been, they had the science afterall! cool

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#4245796 - 11/10/16 12:55 AM Re: RIP chlorine containing products 1930-2017 [Re: PeterPolyol]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 24574
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
On the other side, DDT did its job very well and had a lot of benefits. It's exceedingly easy to just dismiss a chemical as "evil," notwithstanding the fact that it's a chemical, which has nothing but chemical and physical properties, and no morality to it whatsoever. Companies using ad campaigns to promote the product as the greatest thing since sliced bread are no less honest than campaigns that treat it as if it were going to cause a nuclear winter.
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#4245833 - 11/10/16 04:45 AM Re: RIP chlorine containing products 1930-2017 [Re: Diesel_Don]
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Registered: 04/08/09
Posts: 1285
Loc: oh
DDT did its job, and in the process nearly wiped out many species not intended to be affected. DDT ended up being one of the most dangerous chemicals ever concocted and used by man with the dangers greatly outweighing any benefits.
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