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Great PDF on Mazda Skyactiv #4111200 05/31/16 07:43 AM
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Re: Great PDF on Mazda Skyactiv [Re: buster] #4111249 05/31/16 09:05 AM
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Thanks for sharing this. It's very interesting. You can see just how much they strive for a perfect package. Too bad they didn't find the Diesel engine suited enough for the American market.


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Re: Great PDF on Mazda Skyactiv [Re: buster] #4111250 05/31/16 09:05 AM
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Yup, SkyActiv is not just the engine and the tranny, it's the whole concept that starts with something as small as welds optimization to reduce weight.
Just goes to show how much it takes and what kind of attention to detail and resources go into engineering today's vehicles.


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Re: Great PDF on Mazda Skyactiv [Re: KrisZ] #4111280 05/31/16 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Yup, SkyActiv is not just the engine and the tranny, it's the whole concept that starts with something as small as welds optimization to reduce weight.
Just goes to show how much it takes and what kind of attention to detail and resources go into engineering today's vehicles.


a huge part of it is the manufacturing process, too. they make a lot of optimizations to reduce manufacturing requirements/costs.


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Re: Great PDF on Mazda Skyactiv [Re: buster] #4111387 05/31/16 12:05 PM
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I like Mazdas, but "Skyactive" is just a marketing slogan. It's Mazda's version of Toyota's "Star Safety System" or Ford's "Ecoboost" engines. Mazdas aren't really any lighter, more fuel efficient, or less expensive than comparable competitor's models. It's not like other companies don't prioritize weight reduction and manufacturing efficiency, they're all trying to make a buck.

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Those are low hanging fruit technologies that works well, but more expensive in per unit cost. Mazda made the decision to use more expensive parts to reduce R&D overhead for its relatively small company and volume size, which is great for consumer.


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Re: Great PDF on Mazda Skyactiv [Re: greenjp] #4111445 05/31/16 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: greenjp
I like Mazdas, but "Skyactive" is just a marketing slogan. It's Mazda's version of Toyota's "Star Safety System" or Ford's "Ecoboost" engines. Mazdas aren't really any lighter, more fuel efficient, or less expensive than comparable competitor's models. It's not like other companies don't prioritize weight reduction and manufacturing efficiency, they're all trying to make a buck.

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The consumers are so easy to fool. Marketing works wonders.


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Re: Great PDF on Mazda Skyactiv [Re: buster] #4111471 05/31/16 01:50 PM
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I've always liked Mazdas, my dad had an old truck back when I was a kid. That thing ran forever! I actually learned to drive a manual transmission on that thing. Up and down the gravel road for hours!

What I don't like about them (at least the bigger SUVs) is that their crash test ratings aren't as good as the other guys. That's something that is very important to me with a wife and 3 kiddos. Something that 15 years ago, I wouldn't have even cared about. It's funny how things change.

We actually looked at the CX-9 a little bit because I had one as a rental car once and really liked the way it drove.

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Re: Great PDF on Mazda Skyactiv [Re: buster] #4111489 05/31/16 02:12 PM
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When they make cars that don't rust out their trunk lids within 3 years, I'll consider them.

Or maybe Mazda need to market themselves as the car brand that builds in 'continuous weight reduction'?

Sky-view-Active trunks for the 'fuggetaboutit's' stored inside grin

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Originally Posted By: KGMtech
When they make cars that don't rust out their trunk lids within 3 years, I'll consider them.


You come up with that through actual experience, or are you just spewing off what you read someone said on the internet?

Can you show me pictures of a 2013 CX-5 with rust on it?

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Re: Great PDF on Mazda Skyactiv [Re: greenjp] #4112105 06/01/16 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted By: greenjp
I like Mazdas, but "Skyactive" is just a marketing slogan. It's Mazda's version of Toyota's "Star Safety System" or Ford's "Ecoboost" engines. Mazdas aren't really any lighter, more fuel efficient, or less expensive than comparable competitor's models. It's not like other companies don't prioritize weight reduction and manufacturing efficiency, they're all trying to make a buck.

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So much fail in one post. I'd explain it to you but it is clear from your post you have no real interest in this subject.

But just to throw it out there, skyactiv has nothing to do with other manufacturers. They aren't saying they are lighter or better than others. The skyactiv indicates which mazda vehicles have been redesigned using the skyactiv philosophy. They are lighter and more efficient than other MAZDAS.


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Please do. I'd love to have my "fail" explained to me. I read the pdf btw. It's all interesting stuff, as KrisZ says it highlights the attention to detail that goes into automobile design. My quibble is with the suggestion that there's something special or unique about this. A stylized badge on the back of the car is by definition marketing. That's fine, everybody does it, but to suggest that Mazda's version of continuous product improvement is different from anyone else's is just kool-aide guzzling.

As for the appropriate comparison, well of course they're going to compare their new, improved models to their old models. That's how they can say they improved efficiency by X% and reduced weight by Y%. Every test drive article about a new model says something like "torsional rigidity is improved by 22% over the outgoing model".

The comparisons wouldn't look so favorable if they made them against competitors' contemporary models. "Well we Skyactive'd the heck out of the new 3 but somehow Honda managed to make the new Civic just as affordable, lightweight, and efficient without any specially-branded design process."

Here's a slightly modified (all caps are my changes) paragraph from a new vehicle launch press release:
"The CAR's efficiency is rooted in a new, FANCY EFFICIENT ENGINE and a leaner architecture, which contributes to a nearly 250-pound (113 kg) weight reduction on MOST trims over previous models. Stop/start technology bolsters efficiency in stop-and-go traffic, helping the CAR offer an EPA-estimated 30 mpg in city driving a 7-percent increase over previous models."

Two questions:
- can you guess the make and model?
- Does that honestly sound any different from the topics covered in the Skyactive training material in the OP?

I really do like Mazda, I admire their commitment to manual transmissions and focus on the driving experience as opposed to say Toyota. If I was in the market right now the 3 and 6 would be among the cars I'd consider.

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Your disdain for Mazda is apparent. I'm not sure if they hired your wife away from you or what but whatever they did, it obviously left a dent on you.

Mazda didn't claim to be special. All this was, was a simple outline of the extent of the skyactiv corporate change. What it doesn't cover is how the skyactiv philosophy changed their manufacturing ways. Toyota and honda decide how they want to make a car and then adjust the factory to get it done. That isn't how Mazda works. Part of the skyactiv change was designing everything with the production in mind because they don't have the resources the big boys do. So they consider production when they are designing their engines (for example) such that they can produce all their engines on the same line without any modification to the production line. For the engines, that goes into the block design. They want to design a block that they can continue to evolve the engine without having to change manufacturing. It is a much more forward thinking/engineering. It gets much more detailed than that when you get into the finer assembly details. They are engineering around manufacturing/production more than around the car. The other guys do some engineering around manufacturing as that can't be avoided but they tend to design the car first, then engineer manufacturing which is the opposite of where mazda's skyactiv took them.

Nobody is saying Mazda is better than anyone else but they are different. You should at least be capable of acknowledging that.

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