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0W-40 for 223k mile 95 Mercedes E320? #4111103 05/31/16 06:22 AM
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Is there any reason why I shouldn't be using either M1 or Castrol 0W-40 in my 1995 E320 / W124 and M104 engine with 223k miles on it?

First of all I'm already set on using this weight as it will simplify my oil changes between this car and my 2014 VW GLI. Second, I'm asking because some people in an MB forum recommend Delo 15W-40 for this relatively old engine.

The engine does not consume oil since I've had the car in January 2016. I've put around 2000 miles on it already and will most likely see 5000 miles per year. I also saw in the original maintenance booklet that it was filled with 20W-50 from the dealer here in Hawaii. Records stopped on 2009. The car runs great by the way. Wiring harness has been changed but I have no record if the infamous head gasket leak was resolved already. I'm not loosing coolant by the way, and it looks clean.

What are your suggestions?

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2014 Toyota Corolla L 6MT 134k mi 0W20, 2018-Current
1995 MB E320 238k mi 15W40 Delo, 2016-2018
2014 VW Jetta GLI 6MT 36k mi 0W40, 2015-2017
2000 VW Jetta 2.0 5MT 97k mi 0W40, 2011-2015
Re: 0W-40 for 223k mile 95 Mercedes E320? [Re: gregoron] #4111108 05/31/16 06:29 AM
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If the engine is in great shape, I don't see why not.


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Re: 0W-40 for 223k mile 95 Mercedes E320? [Re: gregoron] #4111120 05/31/16 06:48 AM
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That would be a great choice for the M104 engine.


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Re: 0W-40 for 223k mile 95 Mercedes E320? [Re: gregoron] #4111142 05/31/16 07:24 AM
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It's exactly what I would run! :thumbup:


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Re: 0W-40 for 223k mile 95 Mercedes E320? [Re: gregoron] #4111175 05/31/16 07:58 AM
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Sounds like a great choice. I think the key is that if something happens, like seepage, that you fix it. If there was something that came about from a change to syn, it was just hidden/cloaked.

I love the w124. Good luck!

Re: 0W-40 for 223k mile 95 Mercedes E320? [Re: gregoron] #4111183 05/31/16 08:20 AM
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What did they use in the 2000's prior to records stopping?

I'm surprised they speced 20W50 at some point.


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Re: 0W-40 for 223k mile 95 Mercedes E320? [Re: camrydriver111] #4111268 05/31/16 10:19 AM
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The Owner's Manual for any MB of that vintage had a huge selection of viscosities based on temperature.

Here's a discussion on that topic: http://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w210/277763-thicker-oil-m104.html



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Re: 0W-40 for 223k mile 95 Mercedes E320? [Re: Astro14] #4111272 05/31/16 10:23 AM
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Stick to Catsrol or Mobil1 0W40.
There is nothing to overthink here.


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Re: 0W-40 for 223k mile 95 Mercedes E320? [Re: gregoron] #4111302 05/31/16 11:06 AM
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That engine, I think, requires MB Spec 229.3/229.5.
The Mobil Site says to use the new M1 FS X2 5W-50, or second choice is M1 FS 0W-40. You are OK if you use the new versions of those, since they are the new Full SAPS M1 oils. (I have two MB cars with same spec requirement).
For Castrol, they say to use their 5W-40 A3/B4, which is MB 229.3 compliant.
If you are using one of the MB-compliant versions above, you should be OK.
I would use the M1 5W-50 in Hawaii.
I would not try to use a one-oil-fits-all version. Having two types of oil is no big deal. Get the one that MB certifies for the car.
For example, I have to have Full SAPS for 2 old MB cars, Low SAPS for the diesel, and 5W-30 for the Ford. Breaks up the boredom! LOL

Originally Posted By: gregoron
Is there any reason why I shouldn't be using either M1 or Castrol 0W-40 in my 1995 E320 / W124 and M104 engine with 223k miles on it?

What are your suggestions?


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Re: 0W-40 for 223k mile 95 Mercedes E320? [Re: camrydriver111] #4111329 05/31/16 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted By: camrydriver111
What did they use in the 2000's prior to records stopping?

I'm surprised they speced 20W50 at some point.


The dealer put 20W-50 from the very first oil changes until 2000.


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2014 VW Jetta GLI 6MT 36k mi 0W40, 2015-2017
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Re: 0W-40 for 223k mile 95 Mercedes E320? [Re: gregoron] #4111379 05/31/16 12:48 PM
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Nothing wrong with a 20W50 in your climate. See the chart.

But to keep it simple, to keep it reasonable in price, and to use an MB Spec oil, go with the M1 0W40 or the Castrol, as suggested. Both are about $24 for a jug at Walmart.


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Originally Posted By: Astro14
Both are about $24 for a jug at Walmart.

Just curious if it's also $24 in Hawaii... maybe the OP could verify?


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Re: 0W-40 for 223k mile 95 Mercedes E320? [Re: Quattro Pete] #4111400 05/31/16 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Both are about $24 for a jug at Walmart.

Just curious if it's also $24 in Hawaii... maybe the OP could verify?



Right now both M1 and Castrol are on Rollback at $26. Regular is $29 per jug and $8 per quart.


2014 Toyota Corolla L 6MT 134k mi 0W20, 2018-Current
1995 MB E320 238k mi 15W40 Delo, 2016-2018
2014 VW Jetta GLI 6MT 36k mi 0W40, 2015-2017
2000 VW Jetta 2.0 5MT 97k mi 0W40, 2011-2015
Re: 0W-40 for 223k mile 95 Mercedes E320? [Re: gregoron] #4111404 05/31/16 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: gregoron
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Both are about $24 for a jug at Walmart.

Just curious if it's also $24 in Hawaii... maybe the OP could verify?



Right now both M1 and Castrol are on Rollback at $26. Regular is $29 per jug and $8 per quart.


M1 is $26/jug and Castrol $23/jug at my local WM.


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Re: 0W-40 for 223k mile 95 Mercedes E320? [Re: gregoron] #4111456 05/31/16 02:34 PM
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What is wrong with running the 20W-50? The car is 21 years old. Its longevity has proven itself.

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