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radiator hose install, 08 Matrix. #4110349 05/30/16 07:56 AM
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Had some "fun" yesterday installing 2 radiator hoses in my wife's 08 Matrix.

Factory hoses were very soft, and we are getting into the hot weather down here, so it was time to replace.

Purchased goodyear upper and lower hoses. Seems like a simple job, I'm no mechanic but it looked simple.

Purchased a cable operated hose clamp pliars. Well worth buying, job would have been impossible for me without them.

Got both hoses off without much incident, however spring loaded OEM clamps could not be reused. Could not get the clamps to slide over the neck of the radiator for anything!

Used some rubber safe lube, everything.

Ended up using standard worm type clamps for all the connections. Read many stories about how people crack the necks of the plastic radiator by over torquing the clamp. I was very careful and did not over torque the clamps, and made sure they were straight before tightening them down carefully.

Refilled with Valvoline coolant for Asian Vehicles (as recommended on here). Works great no leaks.

I also bought two new heater hoses but I was too darn tired of looking at the car, so they will wait for another weekend.


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Re: radiator hose install, 08 Matrix. [Re: JustinH] #4110353 05/30/16 08:03 AM
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Sometimes the spring clamps leak after reinstall anyway - I put on traditional clamps every time.

Re: radiator hose install, 08 Matrix. [Re: JustinH] #4110365 05/30/16 08:16 AM
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Ya never reuse spring clamps! I know a lot of people do and get away with it but they are a 1 time use clamp.


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Re: radiator hose install, 08 Matrix. [Re: JustinH] #4110366 05/30/16 08:16 AM
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I've found that sometimes the aftermarket hoses are thicker than the OEM hoses. The OEM spring clamps won't work on the new hoses. There are aftermarket spring clamps available. I used some on my Cruze with good results.


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Re: radiator hose install, 08 Matrix. [Re: JustinH] #4110371 05/30/16 08:21 AM
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That's a problem with some aftermarket hoses, they are too thick. Worm drive are the worst ting you can use, in cold weather they leak and the raised part inside puts stress on the joint in one place if you tighten them.
Use constant tension worm clamps if you cant use the spring clamps, they have no riser inside. Gates hoses are pretty true to size and the OE clamps usually fit fine.
Gates also make a heat shrink clamp that works well.


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Re: radiator hose install, 08 Matrix. [Re: JustinH] #4110373 05/30/16 08:23 AM
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Don't use the hose clamps on the shelf at the parts store. They're junk.

Better to use the ones they sell behind the counter in a big box to the mechanics, they're cheaper too.


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Re: radiator hose install, 08 Matrix. [Re: JustinH] #4110404 05/30/16 08:56 AM
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Ran into the same issues with my daughter's 2003 Corolla last summer when I had to swap the radiator. The Vibe/Matrix are essentially a Corolla hatch, so I can imagine your joy in doing the job.

While the worm clamps may not be the best solution, you can check them periodically.

Just keep an eye on them and the coolant level for the next few weeks and check them when you are under the hood and sleep well.


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You first put the spring clamp over the radiator hose neck, then push the hose on. Then, you only have to expand the clamp enough to go over the hose, not the barb.

That's only if you run into this type of issue.

Re: radiator hose install, 08 Matrix. [Re: JustinH] #4110459 05/30/16 10:23 AM
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I've never replaced a radiator hose.


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Re: radiator hose install, 08 Matrix. [Re: DBMaster] #4110590 05/30/16 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: DBMaster
You first put the spring clamp over the radiator hose neck, then push the hose on. Then, you only have to expand the clamp enough to go over the hose, not the barb.

That's only if you run into this type of issue.

Bingo.


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Re: radiator hose install, 08 Matrix. [Re: JustinH] #4110615 05/30/16 02:07 PM
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Screw clamps should never be used. It might not crack now, but the stress from all those hot/cold cycles could fatigue the radiator neck if it's plastic.

Spring clamps usually don't wear out, but on older hoses if you don't put the spring clamps on exactly where they were, you may get seepage. The reason is because of old hoses that have permanent deformation around where the clamps hold.

Re: radiator hose install, 08 Matrix. [Re: JustinH] #4110643 05/30/16 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: JustinH
Got both hoses off without much incident, however spring loaded OEM clamps could not be reused. Could not get the clamps to slide over the neck of the radiator for anything!


I can't figure that part out. Were the pliers not expanding the clamps all the way ?

What brand of cable operated pliers were they ?

On the pliers I've used, they have two sets of jaws that squeeze the clamps. Each set of jaws covers a different range of clamp diameters. If one side didn't open the clamp far enough, I'd flip it over and use the other side.

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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: JustinH
Got both hoses off without much incident, however spring loaded OEM clamps could not be reused. Could not get the clamps to slide over the neck of the radiator for anything!


I can't figure that part out. Were the pliers not expanding the clamps all the way ?

What brand of cable operated pliers were they ?

On the pliers I've used, they have two sets of jaws that squeeze the clamps. Each set of jaws covers a different range of clamp diameters. If one side didn't open the clamp far enough, I'd flip it over and use the other side.


Jaws were clamped all the way. Clamp was open all the way, the goodyear hose was bigger than the OEM hose by a little bit.

Brand of pliars is Autocraft, the advance auto parts house brand. Had to buy it in a "pinch" so to speak.

Find it funny that the two different parts stores I called did not carry constant torque clamps. Doing work on memorial weekend, I guess you get what you get.

System has burped all the air out of it, added a little more coolant, everything looks good no leaks.

Not a fun job.


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Re: radiator hose install, 08 Matrix. [Re: JustinH] #4111356 05/31/16 11:25 AM
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I recently had the same problem with my Subaru using gates radiator hoses. I ended up buying 4 constant tension hose clamps from Napa for $28, but no more aftermarket radiator hoses for me I think.

Re: radiator hose install, 08 Matrix. [Re: JustinH] #4112327 06/01/16 10:21 AM
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I was able to use the factory spring clamps on Goodyear radiator hoses on my 1995 Escort.

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