Recent Topics
2007 Ford Fusion Cam Pics
by tig1 - 08/23/19 05:31 PM
Cloning a Lexus key
by Nayov - 08/23/19 04:23 PM
2011 GMC Acadia Shock/Strut Replacement
by panthermike - 08/23/19 03:49 PM
Confusion on oil to use on BMW 328i 2010
by goldenjava - 08/23/19 03:21 PM
Oil Confusion for 2010 BMW 328i
by goldenjava - 08/23/19 03:16 PM
ProSelect 27356 cut open
by Sayjac - 08/23/19 03:04 PM
Electrolux - Dryer reliability warning.
by pezzy669 - 08/23/19 02:37 PM
Microfiber Towels for different applications?
by Quattro Pete - 08/23/19 01:53 PM
Coated vs. painted rotors
by atikovi - 08/23/19 01:13 PM
New spark plugs, occasional misfire
by avacado11 - 08/23/19 12:34 PM
clean or replace o2 sensor?
by bionictony - 08/23/19 12:15 PM
Supertech equivalent
by Bettez88 - 08/23/19 12:06 PM
Federated OF Now Made in China
by Mr_Luke - 08/23/19 11:47 AM
Sourcing Particular Brembo Rotors
by RamFan - 08/23/19 11:22 AM
Intermittent Braking Vibration?
by Gebo - 08/23/19 10:59 AM
Northrop B-2 Spirit - First Cockpit Video
by john_pifer - 08/23/19 10:36 AM
ADBV Design - MANN Filter
by LeoStrop - 08/23/19 10:25 AM
"MYSTERY Oil" - 320 ppm Zinc
by Linctex - 08/23/19 10:20 AM
Thoughts on Time v Mileage
by BISCUT - 08/23/19 10:04 AM
Newest Members
goldenjava, Spuzzum, ta249, bobsauto62, Ramz
69044 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
76 registered members (akela, 4WD, 2002 Maxima SE, 53' Stude, ArrestMeRedZ, 92saturnsl2, 8 invisible), 2,045 guests, and 27 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums67
Topics293,700
Posts5,045,200
Members69,044
Most Online3,532
Jul 30th, 2019
Donate to BITOG
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Trouble Installing Filter #4108451 05/27/16 08:09 PM
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 671
A
Astro_Guy Offline OP
OP Offline
A
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 671
At the last oil change on the 2010 Civic I had one heck of time getting the filter threads to start. At first I thought the filter itself (Mobil1) might be bad, so I tried a secong (Fram Tough Guard) and then a third (Purolator Pure One.) The results were all the same - the threads wouldn't start. Eventually I just tried really hard and got the M1 filter to start after about ten minutes of trying.

Roll the film forward a bit: time for a change this weekend. I've purchased a M20 x 1.5 die with the thoughts of cleaning up the threads. Unfortunately it could be that the lead thread is simply gone due to a buggered thread on the prior filter, in which case, this may not help.

Any opinions here? Should I try to run the die over it at risk of not being able to replace the filter, or take it to the dealer to have that nipple replaced? I could also just leave this filter in place for now, at 7000 miles on a 15,000 mile filter, then take it to the dealer later. The OLM is at 5% and there is a 600 mile road trip in the plan next week, so the oil must go. Your thoughts please?

Last edited by Astro_Guy; 05/27/16 08:09 PM.

'01 Volvo V70XC, 241k, 10W-30 M1 High Mileage
'16 Accord, 35k, 5W-30 M1 EP
Re: Trouble Installing Filter [Re: Astro_Guy] #4108460 05/27/16 08:27 PM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 21,531
Z
ZeeOSix Offline
Offline
Z
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 21,531
You could probably get the nipple from the dealer and swap it out yourself at the next oil change if you have the right socket/tools.

Re: Trouble Installing Filter [Re: ZeeOSix] #4108466 05/27/16 08:34 PM
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 671
A
Astro_Guy Offline OP
OP Offline
A
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 671
Echo that, but what if I cannot get it out? Then we are talking about a tow to the dealer and possibly several days out of service. The trip next week would be definitely off.

That being said, should I remove the filter and run the die over that nipple, or leave the filter in place for a repair at a more convenient time? The real question here is whether or not it is worth taking the chance of removing the filter and running the die over that nipple.

Last edited by Astro_Guy; 05/27/16 08:35 PM.

'01 Volvo V70XC, 241k, 10W-30 M1 High Mileage
'16 Accord, 35k, 5W-30 M1 EP
Re: Trouble Installing Filter [Re: Astro_Guy] #4108471 05/27/16 08:45 PM
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,189
J
JayhawkRoy Offline
Offline
J
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,189
Change oil and leave the filter alone for now. That M1 filter can handle 14K miles. Several on this site do two oil changes per filter, anyway.

Decide what to do about the nipple when you have plenty of time to think, research and understand the consequences of your plan, whatever it may be.

Re: Trouble Installing Filter [Re: JayhawkRoy] #4108476 05/27/16 08:53 PM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 21,531
Z
ZeeOSix Offline
Offline
Z
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 21,531
Originally Posted By: JayhawkRoy
Change oil and leave the filter alone for now. That M1 filter can handle 14K miles. Several on this site do two oil changes per filter, anyway.

Decide what to do about the nipple when you have plenty of time to think, research and understand the consequences of your plan, whatever it may be.


Yep ... my thoughts too.

Re: Trouble Installing Filter [Re: ZeeOSix] #4108526 05/27/16 10:06 PM
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,008
A
abycat Offline
Offline
A
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,008
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: JayhawkRoy
Change oil and leave the filter alone for now. That M1 filter can handle 14K miles. Several on this site do two oil changes per filter, anyway.

Decide what to do about the nipple when you have plenty of time to think, research and understand the consequences of your plan, whatever it may be.


Yep ... my thoughts too.


I agree with you guys.


2017 dodge caravan gt
2011 nissan versa hb
Re: Trouble Installing Filter [Re: Astro_Guy] #4108556 05/27/16 11:03 PM
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 478
Y
Yup Offline
Offline
Y
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 478
It's not just that you don't have it at the right angle, right? My Civic's filter is next to the exhaust manifold and I have to go by feel. Which means I go by burning my fingers and swearing. If the filter isn't at the EXACT angle of the back of the engine tilt, it spins and spins and spins and never "threads." It's a pain, sometimes I get it right away, others I sit angling is all over cussing at it.

Or maybe your threads are actually messed up...?

Last edited by Yup; 05/27/16 11:04 PM.
Re: Trouble Installing Filter [Re: Astro_Guy] #4108579 05/27/16 11:41 PM
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 8,608
S
slacktide_bitog Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 8,608
Has the car ever been serviced at a Jiffy Lube or similar place? They're known to overtighten [censored].

Re: Trouble Installing Filter [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4108591 05/28/16 12:05 AM
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 1,657
C
camrydriver111 Offline
Offline
C
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 1,657
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Has the car ever been serviced at a Jiffy Lube or similar place? They're known to overtighten [censored].


Hope that's not the problem.


BITOG or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Extended OCI
Re: Trouble Installing Filter [Re: Astro_Guy] #4108617 05/28/16 01:48 AM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 17,501
M
Merkava_4 Offline
Offline
M
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 17,501
Originally Posted By: Astro_Guy
I've purchased a M20 x 1.5 die with the thoughts of cleaning up the threads.


Run the die. As long as you use it correctly, you'll be fine. Remember: one step forward, two steps back.

Re: Trouble Installing Filter [Re: Astro_Guy] #4108637 05/28/16 04:37 AM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,808
C
crazyoildude Offline
Offline
C
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,808
Change the filter there is probably nothing wrong with the treads on the engine.. Be careful dont fix something that is not broken it will cost you.
over 30 years in the engine business and i never had an issues with bad threads unless there was damage from moving or dropping the engine or someone forcing a filter on that don't belong like a madman. Somewtimes the angle can be tricky laying under the car and not used to doing this type of thing.
If you mess it up the stealer will be happy to empty your wallet..Bring it to a qualified engine rebuilding /machine shop.

Re: Trouble Installing Filter [Re: crazyoildude] #4108718 05/28/16 08:09 AM
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 671
A
Astro_Guy Offline OP
OP Offline
A
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 671
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Has the car ever been serviced at a Jiffy Lube or similar place?

No, at least not in the four years and 40,000 miles we've owned it.

Originally Posted By: Yup
It's not just that you don't have it at the right angle, right?

No, I've changed the oil on this vehicle six times. Something was radically different the last time around.

Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Change the filter there is probably nothing wrong with the treads on the engine.. Be careful dont fix something that is not broken it will cost you.
over 30 years in the engine business and i never had an issues with bad threads...

Okay, I've never had a problem like this in 40 years of changing my own oil, but can you offer a better explanation of why three different brands of filters would not start to thread easily?


'01 Volvo V70XC, 241k, 10W-30 M1 High Mileage
'16 Accord, 35k, 5W-30 M1 EP
Re: Trouble Installing Filter [Re: Astro_Guy] #4108723 05/28/16 08:15 AM
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,120
G
goodtimes Offline
Offline
G
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,120
You said you tried really hard for ten minutes and finally got the M1 on. The filter should spin on easily by hand once started. So if it was easy to turn, it's probably OK to use as is. The nipple is pretty stout. If it went on hard for the ten minutes, hopefully you just ruined the filter base. The die also has to start straight. That would be a last resort. Better and more careful would be to first try to get the angle right next time, use no force, and don't use the die. You also could inspect the nipple by eye. If you tried three filters and all didn't fit, either they are the wrong filters or you are turning them on crooked.

Re: Trouble Installing Filter [Re: Astro_Guy] #4108774 05/28/16 09:20 AM
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 11,159
D
dlundblad Offline
Offline
D
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 11,159
The 3.8 found in the early model Jeep JK had an oil filter mount that was just off from being 90* from the engine block. The threads were issue free, but I found myself fussing with it a bit longer than normal. Plus I couldn't see worth a darn..

Perhaps your car has the same issue?


03 Jeep WJ 4.0 202k Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 186k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 158k M1 EP 10w30 Supertech ST3980 (Ecore)

Re: Trouble Installing Filter [Re: goodtimes] #4108830 05/28/16 10:33 AM
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 671
A
Astro_Guy Offline OP
OP Offline
A
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 671
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
You said you tried really hard for ten minutes and finally got the M1 on. The filter should spin on easily by hand once started.

Allow me to clarify: it took ten minutes to get it to catch that first thread. After that it spun on normally. It is my theory that the lead -in thread on the nipple is either damaged or worn away.


'01 Volvo V70XC, 241k, 10W-30 M1 High Mileage
'16 Accord, 35k, 5W-30 M1 EP
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

BOB IS THE OIL GUY® Powered by UBB.threads™