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Any oil & filter combination to STOP wear? #4102742 05/21/16 01:04 PM
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Gents,

As engines get older, they start to consume oil. I think this is typically because of piston, piston ring, and cylinder wear.

If so, is there an oil & filter combination that would prevent this wear and keep an engine from burning oil?

I believe that the whole point of motor oil is to prevent ALL metal to metal contact. So, if I use a bypass filter too (I'm thinking a Microgreen filter) that filters down to a few microns, there should be almost no wear.

Am I missing anything in my thinking?

(Sorry, I didn't know if this belongs in an oil thread or a filter thread.)


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Re: Any oil & filter combination to STOP wear? [Re: kohnen] #4102752 05/21/16 01:12 PM
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Oh come on, If there was an oil/filter combination that would stop ALL wear, parts would NEVER wear out. I know some things last a LONG time, but eventually no matter what you use for lube/filtration, it will get worn, and need to be replaced, at least with the best available now.


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Re: Any oil & filter combination to STOP wear? [Re: old1] #4102756 05/21/16 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: old1
Oh come on, If there was an oil/filter combination that would stop ALL wear, parts would NEVER wear out. I know some things last a LONG time, but eventually no matter what you use for lube/filtration, it will get worn, and need to be replaced, at least with the best available now.

That's not my point. Engines today can easily go 300,000 miles if they're well maintained, but they still seem to end up burning oil as they get older.

I'm wondering if, by keeping the oil clean enough, it is possible to effectively prevent wear between the pistons and the cylinders so that the engine won't start to consume oil.


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Re: Any oil & filter combination to STOP wear? [Re: kohnen] #4102758 05/21/16 01:21 PM
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short answer---NO


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Re: Any oil & filter combination to STOP wear? [Re: kohnen] #4102766 05/21/16 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: kohnen
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Oh come on, If there was an oil/filter combination that would stop ALL wear, parts would NEVER wear out. I know some things last a LONG time, but eventually no matter what you use for lube/filtration, it will get worn, and need to be replaced, at least with the best available now.

That's not my point. Engines today can easily go 300,000 miles if they're well maintained, but they still seem to end up burning oil as they get older.

I'm wondering if, by keeping the oil clean enough, it is possible to effectively prevent wear between the pistons and the cylinders so that the engine won't start to consume oil.


Sure, prevent wear, yes. Not Stop wear.

Re: Any oil & filter combination to STOP wear? [Re: kohnen] #4102771 05/21/16 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: kohnen
Gents,

As engines get older, they start to consume oil. I think this is typically because of piston, piston ring, and cylinder wear.

If so, is there an oil & filter combination that would prevent this wear and keep an engine from burning oil?

I believe that the whole point of motor oil is to prevent ALL metal to metal contact. So, if I use a bypass filter too (I'm thinking a Microgreen filter) that filters down to a few microns, there should be almost no wear.

Am I missing anything in my thinking?

(Sorry, I didn't know if this belongs in an oil thread or a filter thread.)
Engines wear out eventually no matter how well maintained they are, or what oil and filter combination is used. It is a fact of life. Can you extend their life? Yes, to a point, but nothing lasts forever.


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Re: Any oil & filter combination to STOP wear? [Re: kohnen] #4102773 05/21/16 01:36 PM
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I dont think that there is anything you can do to stop any wear from occuring whatsoever,it is the nature of the beast.

But if you install a bypass filter, use quality oil, perhaps utilize certain additives and change it regularly that would be your best shot at prolonging the longevity of the motor.

Good luck!


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Re: Any oil & filter combination to STOP wear? [Re: kohnen] #4102774 05/21/16 01:37 PM
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There's more things in an older engine that can cause oil consumption besides the effects of metal-to-metal wear.
Cylinder head oil seals can get old, get hard or brittle and can allow oil to get past the intake and exhaust valves.

Re: Any oil & filter combination to STOP wear? [Re: kohnen] #4102784 05/21/16 01:48 PM
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Everything made by man will eventually wear out and fail.

Engine wear is the least of my concerns. I'm more worried about tires, brakes and suspension components. At some point these cost more than the car is worth, then we get rid of the vehicle and start over smile


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Re: Any oil & filter combination to STOP wear? [Re: maximus] #4102789 05/21/16 01:58 PM
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...Engine wear is the least of my concerns. I'm more worried about tires, brakes and suspension components. At some point these cost more than the car is worth, then we get rid of the vehicle and start over smile


Yes, but, I have an ulterior motive. If by selecting the right oil and filter I can make it so that the engine won't ever burn oil, then my kids (who have trouble checking oil) won't end up destroying their engine.


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My 01 Escape doesn't seem to burn any oil but it leaks some. I'm more concerned about an oil that addresses that. Maxlife 10w30 helps a lot,

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Originally Posted By: kohnen
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...Engine wear is the least of my concerns. I'm more worried about tires, brakes and suspension components. At some point these cost more than the car is worth, then we get rid of the vehicle and start over smile


Yes, but, I have an ulterior motive. If by selecting the right oil and filter I can make it so that the engine won't ever burn oil, then my kids (who have trouble checking oil) won't end up destroying their engine.


Change your tactic. Teach them the consequences of neglect. Let them destroy an engine. Sometimes people have to learn the hard way. I've spent most of my life learning the hard way. smile if you're kids are responsible enough to have DL and own vehicles, then there's no reason they can't check the oil level.

Short of fixing the problem, your best bet is Maxlife or PHM to curb consumption.

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Originally Posted By: kohnen
Gents,

As engines get older, they start to consume oil. I think this is typically because of piston, piston ring, and cylinder wear.

If so, is there an oil & filter combination that would prevent this wear and keep an engine from burning oil?

I believe that the whole point of motor oil is to prevent ALL metal to metal contact. So, if I use a bypass filter too (I'm thinking a Microgreen filter) that filters down to a few microns, there should be almost no wear.

Am I missing anything in my thinking?

(Sorry, I didn't know if this belongs in an oil thread or a filter thread.)


You can't stop an old engine from burning oil once it starts to wear out, all you can do is reduce the wear factors.

The first thing is to make sure that the CCV (Crank Case Vent) system does not block, as it will push oil past the rings and oil seals if it does. If you use a good oil that has enough detergents and change it often enough, a fouled up CCV is unlikely.

The second thing to pay attention to is fuel quality and injector spray patterns. If you use carp fuel and get gummed up injectors it will result in deposits that can damage both the valve guide oil seals and the rings. I use fairly good quality fuel and a can of Liqui Moly direct feed injection cleaner (Every service interval).
Using a major brand full synthetic will help keep the rings clean and Shell Ultra or Mobil 1 are probably the best oils for cleaning.

As an engine block ages, the bearings wear which can cause a slight drop in oil pressure, so it often makes sense to move up a grade from the OEM one. For example if you have a new petrol car that has an 0w20 OEM recommendation, move up to an 0w30 once the oil consumption rate starts to increase.
It can also help to beef up the anti wear additives with a older block by using a major brand oil additive like Liqui Moly Ceratec every OCI.

Those are the main reasons why I use Shell Ultra (Same as Penn Ultra Euro) 5w40 and half a can of Ceratec every OCI. I also use LM Diesel Purge to fill up the fuel filter housing when fitting a new element in my old TDI.

As regards filters, OEM, Bosch or Mann, but only if stamped made in Germany. It also helps not to change filters before the recommended max interval unless you have a very good reason why. Dirty filters are more efficient, unless they are either a new synthetic media type or are part of a dual filter bypass system.
There might be a case for using a major brand long life oil filter, but there never is a case for using a non OEM standard air filter. The washable oiled or foam ones are a disaster area.

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Any oil and filter changed on any reasonable interval will bring wear to an irreducible minimum.
And no, motor oil cannot prevent all metal to metal contact.
A significant part of that fancy add pack is to reduce the wear caused by less than hydrodynamic lubrication.
Engines all wear with use and the best oil and oil filter can't prevent that.
Ensuring that the air filter isn't leaking or torn and that there are no leaks downstream of it is probably more important in reducing engine wear than is the oil and oil filter.


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The majority of engine wear occurs from the time you start the engine until oil reaches approx 80 degC (176 degF). To prevent the bulk of the wear, you'd have to bypass that cold warm up period or effectively reduce it by 70-90%. This would not be an easy thing to do. Ideally you'd have to warm up the bulk oil to 180 deg as well as all the engine metal....before ever commencing the combustion process. One alternative is never turning your car off except when the OCI is up. Maybe Uber it across the country a couple times with multiple drivers.


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