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VOA Joe Gibbs DRIVEN DT50 15W50 #4101116 05/19/16 02:51 PM
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VOA for Joe Gibbs DRIVEN DT50 15W50


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Dunno what Blackstone are smoking....

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Yep, insoluble SHOULD BE at or below 0.8% ... in a VOA !!

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Not sure it's any better than Delvac 1300 15W40, many of the values are worse/lower. Would be interesting to see how it would do in an older HP gas application, if it is worth the extra $$$.


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No Moly, no Boron, no way would I use it in a turbo diesel.

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Their "40" was a "30", and their "50" is a "40"

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Don't worry, the extra dollars they charge more than makes up for it. When I pay half that for Delvac 1 in Canada, you know it's bad.


Plain, simple Garak.

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I'll take a wild guess at the HTHS @ 4.2

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I take VOAs with a grain of salt. Getting viscosity wrong is one thing, but judging an oil via a VOA is not useful. Additive packages vary and are always changing. It really tells you little about how the oil will perform in service.


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That's absolutely true. But, a VOA is very useful when trending UOAs. In any case, even before I saw a VOA, I wasn't seeing a lot to justify the cost of these products.


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buster said that judging an oil via a VOA is not useful, and Garak said that's absolutely true.
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What is the purpose of a VOA?

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Originally Posted By: userfriendly
buster said that judging an oil via a VOA is not useful, and Garak said that's absolutely true.
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What is the purpose of a VOA?


Simply a baseline to compare with future UOAs of the same oil. You cannot determine performance, relative or absolute, from a VOA. That's what industry testing is for.


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How about an educated guess on this one? Anybody?

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Well, if I were trending UOAs, I would want to get a VOA of the same oil from the same lab I'd be using to do the UOAs. That certainly helps, particularly noting this product as a 3 ppm starting point of silicon, for instance.

As for this oil in specific, I'm sure it's a fine oil. I just find the price a little overwhelming. Check their website and convert it to Canadian funds, and check shipping, or whatever else, and it gets worse. The main thing that bugs me about Joe Gibbs is that they seem to have a solution to every problem, real or imagined, and tend to what an exceedingly high price for those solutions.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Thanks for sharing! thumbsup
I wonder if there is any difference between this oil and the HD50 "for air cooled motorcycles"? This DT50 certainly appears to be fine for a wet clutch application.
The local VP dealer carries this brand, and I thought about the HD50 for one of my motorcycles.
They do seem to have a lot of lame labels, which is a little annoying. They would seem more credible to me if their 5W30 street oil was just labeled as "really good 5W30" instead of "designed for high performance LS engines", for example.


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