..... in Singapore ?
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/stiffer-fines-for-repeat/2742126.html
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/stiffer-fines-for-repeat/2742126.html
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Yup. Many countries have similar regulations.
IF an OBII engine is off long enough it returns to open loop after being restarted, and until it rewarms. . That can dump plenty of hydrocarbons, perhaps far more than the engine idling with a cat up to temp. Perhaps Singapore doesn't require OBD II, in which case the idle regulation is a real joke. BTW a short cooldown is the cause of "lazy O2 sensor" problems.
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Yup. Many countries have similar regulations.
Also cities or states in the U.S.
Yup. Many countries have similar regulations.
Also cities or states in the U.S.
Germany also.
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So Start/Stop Technology will be mandatory? I am in California worst state in the USA for Smog stuff and I can idle my car all day if I want, so what gives?
Oh yeah we cant idle our cars but the machines that pollute the air 100x's more than cars that dig for lithium ion core for "Green" cars is ok?
The whole world is a Hypocrisy.
Jeff
Oh yeah we cant idle our cars but the machines that pollute the air 100x's more than cars that dig for lithium ion core for "Green" cars is ok?
The whole world is a Hypocrisy.
Jeff
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Massachusetts has an anti idle law. Can't do it for more than 5 minutes. Fines as high as $25,000. I don't think it gets enforced as much as Singapore though.
NYC and NJ has three minutes.
Massachusetts has an anti idle law. Can't do it for more than 5 minutes. Fines as high as $25,000. I don't think it gets enforced as much as Singapore though.
NYC and NJ has three minutes.
The stop/start tech is interesting. It is not that ideal on a car with a manual trans or one with louder exhaust. At my usual car hangout on Fridays, we started laughing at a Jag F-Type for constantly stalling his car, turned out it was the stop/start thing.
I'm sure the anti-idle laws pertain to sitting in a parked vehicle, not when you're sitting in a several hours long backup in NYC.
But that's just a logical element to it and we know that not all laws are logical.
But that's just a logical element to it and we know that not all laws are logical.
I still don't see the point if the jurisdiction is using OBD II technology, in that case the exhaust at idle should be very clean. Sounds like an envirowhackjob feel good law to me which is typical of MA. There have been incidents reported where people have tried to do themselves in using exhaust from an OBD II engine and FAILED. There's also a recent case where the victim used a one cylinder Honda water pump in his back seat to end his life because he apparently knew the car exhaust wasn't going to do it.
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
So Start/Stop Technology will be mandatory? I am in California worst state in the USA for Smog stuff and I can idle my car all day if I want, so what gives?
1) no, its not mandating start/stop tech (yet.) Anti-idle laws apply to parking the car and idling, not idling in traffic.
2) Technically, you might NOT be able to legally idle all day, especially if you leave the idling car. Some areas have had no-idle laws for unoccupied cars for quite a while and the original cause had nothing to do with smog, it had to do with perceived easier theft of an idling vehicle since all a thief had to do was get inside the car, not get inside + hot wire it.
So Start/Stop Technology will be mandatory? I am in California worst state in the USA for Smog stuff and I can idle my car all day if I want, so what gives?
1) no, its not mandating start/stop tech (yet.) Anti-idle laws apply to parking the car and idling, not idling in traffic.
2) Technically, you might NOT be able to legally idle all day, especially if you leave the idling car. Some areas have had no-idle laws for unoccupied cars for quite a while and the original cause had nothing to do with smog, it had to do with perceived easier theft of an idling vehicle since all a thief had to do was get inside the car, not get inside + hot wire it.
If someone's home A/C fails and they are sensitive to heat, sitting in an idling car with the A/C on can be a lifesaver. It would be outrageous to penalize people for that.
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
I still don't see the point if the jurisdiction is using OBD II technology, in that case the exhaust at idle should be very clean.
I believe the point is that it's still generating some (presumably unnecessary) level of emissions versus an engine that isn't running at all.
I still don't see the point if the jurisdiction is using OBD II technology, in that case the exhaust at idle should be very clean.
I believe the point is that it's still generating some (presumably unnecessary) level of emissions versus an engine that isn't running at all.
Originally Posted By: artificialist
If someone's home A/C fails and they are sensitive to heat, sitting in an idling car with the A/C on can be a lifesaver. It would be outrageous to penalize people for that.
They are causing unnecessary pollution. They can just drive to a mall or public space that has AC. And if they're sensitive to heat, the car will probably be way hotter initially than the house.
If someone's home A/C fails and they are sensitive to heat, sitting in an idling car with the A/C on can be a lifesaver. It would be outrageous to penalize people for that.
They are causing unnecessary pollution. They can just drive to a mall or public space that has AC. And if they're sensitive to heat, the car will probably be way hotter initially than the house.
How are they going to ticket you if you sit in the vehicle? If you see the parking enforcement, simply shut the car off, once they're gone turn it on again.
Originally Posted By: Padawan
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
I still don't see the point if the jurisdiction is using OBD II technology, in that case the exhaust at idle should be very clean.
I believe the point is that it's still generating some (presumably unnecessary) level of emissions versus an engine that isn't running at all.
The point is it generates another source of revenue.
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
I still don't see the point if the jurisdiction is using OBD II technology, in that case the exhaust at idle should be very clean.
I believe the point is that it's still generating some (presumably unnecessary) level of emissions versus an engine that isn't running at all.
The point is it generates another source of revenue.
Originally Posted By: Charlie1935
Originally Posted By: Padawan
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
I still don't see the point if the jurisdiction is using OBD II technology, in that case the exhaust at idle should be very clean.
I believe the point is that it's still generating some (presumably unnecessary) level of emissions versus an engine that isn't running at all.
The point is it generates another source of revenue.
most can't figure stuff out.
Originally Posted By: Padawan
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
I still don't see the point if the jurisdiction is using OBD II technology, in that case the exhaust at idle should be very clean.
I believe the point is that it's still generating some (presumably unnecessary) level of emissions versus an engine that isn't running at all.
The point is it generates another source of revenue.
most can't figure stuff out.
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
How are they going to ticket you if you sit in the vehicle? If you see the parking enforcement, simply shut the car off, once they're gone turn it on again.
In Germany they had a special division in Police. They would come out of nowhere, e.g. you sit idling for more than 20 sec at the railroad crossing with the gate closed, etc. That was in force like a generation ago. Here, the operators of tourist coaches sit for hours at a nice resort poisoning the air.
How are they going to ticket you if you sit in the vehicle? If you see the parking enforcement, simply shut the car off, once they're gone turn it on again.
In Germany they had a special division in Police. They would come out of nowhere, e.g. you sit idling for more than 20 sec at the railroad crossing with the gate closed, etc. That was in force like a generation ago. Here, the operators of tourist coaches sit for hours at a nice resort poisoning the air.
Remember its your duty as a green comrade to turn in your neighbor to the authorities for re-education... This is what you get when the first education system fails to teach common sense.
"Members of the public, who spot parked idling vehicles, are encouraged to report them to NEA and provide details such as vehicle registration number, location, date and time of the incident, it added."
"Members of the public, who spot parked idling vehicles, are encouraged to report them to NEA and provide details such as vehicle registration number, location, date and time of the incident, it added."
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