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Fram Ultra -vs- TRD Synthetic comparison photos! #4046191 03/22/16 06:43 PM
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For those that may be interested, I wanted to take some comparison photos of both the TRD oil filter and Fram Ultra for the late model 1.8L Toyota engine. This is the filter used in the current Toyota Prius, Corolla, Yaris, some Scion models, previous Matrix, etc etc. The OEM cellulose is allegedly 50% efficient at 20-microns... the TRD is 98% efficient at 20-microns... and the Fram Ultra is 99% efficient at 20-microns.

The TRD filter (made by Champion) is kind of a love:hate relationship. You'll notice the pleat spacing isn't very precise and they're pretty wavy right out of the box. In addition - the process of gluing/sewing the seam together resulted in some loss of media (see photo #2) - almost like a hole, but since it's on the glued seam - I'm not sure if it'd matter or not. The build quality is very solid (obviously) and the silicon gaskets at the top and bottom are an interesting addition unique to the Champion made filters (i.e. Amsoil), but they definitely add height to the filter as it's slightly longer than OEM and the Fram... so I'm not sure how that'd effect everything, but you'd want to watch your torquing and I could see it binding if you over-torque. It's also interesting that they decided to add a center-tube in the filter as all the 1.8L motors this would fit already have a tube built into the housing itself... and if you look at the last photo, you'll see the center tube actually results in less media depth -vs- the Fram or even the OEM cellulose.

The Fram Ultra build quality is excellent all around. They use the more traditional high-temp plastic endcaps. All pleats were evenly spaced and free of wavy distortion. The pleats also utilized the entire depth of the endcaps (versus the TRD which has the extra center tube). It's worth noting that the OEM cellulose filter is the same height as the Fram Ultra as well, so there should be no binding as you torque down the housing cap. Fit on the center tube was nice and snug, so there should be no slipping.

BOTH of them are Made in the USA! USA For what it's worth - I ended up using the Fram Ultra and will be returning the TRD.

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Fram XG10358 - (purchased at Wal-Mart - $10.97)
Toyota PTR43-52090 (purchased at local Toyota dealer - $15.75)






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Re: Fram Ultra -vs- TRD Synthetic comparison (1.8L) [Re: sdude2k2000] #4046199 03/22/16 06:52 PM
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I'd run the Fram, looks like a better constructed filter as well as being cheaper. It's interesting that they are made by the same parent company but clearly are not produced on the same production line.


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Re: Fram Ultra -vs- TRD Synthetic comparison (1.8L) [Re: sdude2k2000] #4046212 03/22/16 07:10 PM
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Agreed. Better quality or less is the real winner.


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Re: Fram Ultra -vs- TRD Synthetic comparison (1.8L) [Re: sdude2k2000] #4046225 03/22/16 07:31 PM
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Interesting design of a cartridge filter with metal end caps and silicone seals around the center tube. Both probably would have worked just fine, and both are close in efficiency, but the Ultra was a better value at the price paid.

Re: Fram Ultra -vs- TRD Synthetic comparison (1.8L) [Re: sdude2k2000] #4046229 03/22/16 07:37 PM
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I'd run a Champion-built filter built to better specs. That TRD is... a real trd. Champion do far better synthetic media filters for Royal Purple and Amsoil. If its available as a cartridge, that is... if not, Ultra by 10,000 miles.


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Re: Fram Ultra -vs- TRD Synthetic comparison (1.8L) [Re: sdude2k2000] #4046250 03/22/16 08:06 PM
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If the current ULTRA's are actually 99.9% now I wonder if they are upgrading the other syn filters like the TRD, Amsoil, and RP?


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Re: Fram Ultra -vs- TRD Synthetic comparison (1.8L) [Re: sdude2k2000] #4046259 03/22/16 08:16 PM
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I'll take the TRD. Not a fan of Ultras.


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Re: Fram Ultra -vs- TRD Synthetic comparison (1.8L) [Re: sdude2k2000] #4046268 03/22/16 08:22 PM
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What's funny is... based on photos I've seen online, the TRD filter looks identical to its Amsoil counterpart (EA15K01) which is also made by Champion. In some ways - it's definitely overbuilt with the Zinc end-caps and center tube... but in other ways - it looks really sloppy (the wavy and uneven pleats). I'm sure it's still completely servicable, but the thing that really took me back was rough looking seam. Is it really that hard to glue, crimp, and encapsulate like the Ultra does?

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Re: Fram Ultra -vs- TRD Synthetic comparison (1.8L) [Re: MinamiKotaro] #4046271 03/22/16 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
I'll take the TRD. Not a fan of Ultras.


Care to elaborate?


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Re: Fram Ultra -vs- TRD Synthetic comparison (1.8L) [Re: sdude2k2000] #4046303 03/22/16 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: sdude2k2000
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
I'll take the TRD. Not a fan of Ultras.


Care to elaborate?


I had an XG9018 fail.


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Re: Fram Ultra -vs- TRD Synthetic comparison (1.8L) [Re: sdude2k2000] #4046315 03/22/16 09:13 PM
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I like them both but the TRD is over priced, maybe cheaper online in bulk


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Re: Fram Ultra -vs- TRD Synthetic comparison (1.8L) [Re: sdude2k2000] #4046319 03/22/16 09:18 PM
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Get whatever is cheaper. The TRD is Champ made and very high quality/ efficiency, but truthfully, I dont see the point of them besides marketing.


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Re: Fram Ultra -vs- TRD Synthetic comparison (1.8L) [Re: 440Magnum] #4046324 03/22/16 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
I'd run a Champion-built filter built to better specs. That TRD is... a real trd. Champion do far better synthetic media filters for Royal Purple


the TRD is virtually identical to the RP

Re: Fram Ultra -vs- TRD Synthetic comparison (1.8L) [Re: MinamiKotaro] #4046336 03/22/16 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
Originally Posted By: sdude2k2000
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
I'll take the TRD. Not a fan of Ultras.


Care to elaborate?


I had an XG9018 fail.


Did you post on here? Care to elaborate?


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Re: Fram Ultra -vs- TRD Synthetic comparison (1.8L) [Re: Nate1979] #4046350 03/22/16 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro

I had an XG9018 fail.


Did you post on here? Care to elaborate?


I google'd it lol.

Failed Fram Ultra

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