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Best synthetic for Mazda Direct Injection? #4035323
03/11/16 10:23 AM
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perryg114 Offline OP
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I just bought a new Mazda 3 Skyactive with the direct injected engine. I know that there have been issues with carboned up valves with some DI engines. I have been using M1 in all my stuff with good results but I have noticed some carbon accumulation as a result of burnt oil with the M1. So should I continue to use the group 3 M1 or should I step up to group 4 or 5 oils? Is there a benefit or is it marketing hype? If I do abandon M1, what would be a good alternative that I can preferably get at Walmart? I don't want to get into a discussion about why Mazda sucks or why DI engines are the end of the world. I bought the thing so I have to live with it now.

Thanks

Perry

Last edited by perryg114; 03/11/16 10:24 AM.
Re: Best synthetic for Mazda Direct Injection? [Re: perryg114] #4035325
03/11/16 10:32 AM
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I'd go with Mobil 1 AFE or EP 0w20. Both have a NOACK volatility of 10% and sulfated ash is around .8%. EP 0w20 is also 70% PAO.

Re: Best synthetic for Mazda Direct Injection? [Re: perryg114] #4035332
03/11/16 10:43 AM
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Have you already torn into the Mazda for a look at the valves? What does Mazda spec for this engine?
FWIW my Ecoboost F150 has 95k miles and still runs like a scalded dog. I've been using Castrol 0w-40 in it for quite some time so I suppose the A3 rated oil has been suiting the engine just fine. Have no idea about my valve deposits other than to say if there are deposits, they haven't slowed my engine down one bit.


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Re: Best synthetic for Mazda Direct Injection? [Re: perryg114] #4035340
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I ran M1 5W-30 in my 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 for over 158k miles with no deposit or wear issues at all.


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Re: Best synthetic for Mazda Direct Injection? [Re: perryg114] #4035351
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Mazdas don't appear to have deposit issues with their DI engines.

Re: Best synthetic for Mazda Direct Injection? [Re: perryg114] #4035395
03/11/16 11:52 AM
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Maybe you got a lemon.

I don't notice my engine running rich.

Re: Best synthetic for Mazda Direct Injection? [Re: perryg114] #4035401
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My Mazda cx5 runs just great. I run PP and OEM or Ultra filter with a 6,000 mile OCI. Ed

Last edited by Eddie; 03/11/16 11:58 AM.

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Re: Best synthetic for Mazda Direct Injection? [Re: perryg114] #4035419
03/11/16 12:21 PM
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What does the owners manual spec?


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Re: Best synthetic for Mazda Direct Injection? [Re: MCompact] #4035420
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Originally Posted By: MCompact
I ran M1 5W-30 in my 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 for over 158k miles with no deposit or wear issues at all.

Which does not have a DI engine.

Re: Best synthetic for Mazda Direct Injection? [Re: perryg114] #4035421
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Your driving habits and quality of gas you use will have much more effect on deposit buildup on a DI engine than motor oil will.

Re: Best synthetic for Mazda Direct Injection? [Re: Bottom_Feeder] #4035425
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Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Originally Posted By: MCompact
I ran M1 5W-30 in my 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 for over 158k miles with no deposit or wear issues at all.

Which does not have a DI engine.


I thought the 2.3L turbos were DI? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_L_engine#2.3L_DISI_Turbo_.28L3-VDT.29

To the OP, where are you noticing the carbon build up?


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Re: Best synthetic for Mazda Direct Injection? [Re: perryg114] #4035439
03/11/16 12:39 PM
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perryg114 Offline OP
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No I have not torn into an engine that I have had for about a week LOL.

Manual calls for 0w20 for this country but in other areas you can use 5W30. Any down side as far as wear running 0W20? I am more worried about engine life than MPG.

As far as driving habits, I am a lead foot. I have been running 89 octane from Kroger. I have thought about running Chevron. 13:1 compression ratio. Once I get it broke in, and have some mileage stats, I will try 87 and see if there is any decrease in MPG.

Perry

Re: Best synthetic for Mazda Direct Injection? [Re: perryg114] #4035458
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M1 is not grp 3. Mobil Super Synthetic is. M1 oils perform very well in high heat as the M1 5-30 has the HTO-06 Honda high heat low deposit spec.


2007 Ford Fusion 239,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 67K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

Re: Best synthetic for Mazda Direct Injection? [Re: perryg114] #4035460
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I'm thinking driving a vehicle hard equipped with a DI engine negates the formation of intake valves deposits.

Last edited by skyactiv; 03/11/16 01:12 PM. Reason: i suck

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Re: Best synthetic for Mazda Direct Injection? [Re: Bottom_Feeder] #4035461
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Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Originally Posted By: MCompact
I ran M1 5W-30 in my 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 for over 158k miles with no deposit or wear issues at all.

Which does not have a DI engine.


DI engines seem to be tech in reverse.


2007 Ford Fusion 239,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 67K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

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