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Firestone winterforce stink big time #3977611
01/13/16 10:52 AM
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eljefino Offline OP
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Came with my camry. 8-9/32 tread all around. (I have four.) 205/65/15 for max sidewall squishiness. No ABS, traction, stability etc. No studs.

Ice... they're terrible.
Packed snow... they're bad.
Black ice (freezing fog)... they're loose.
Powdery snow, can handle up to my bumper. But so what?

If I start sliding sideways, they grab in about three inches. They do this 100s of times in my commute. Slide, grab. Slide, grab.

I've run many cheapish snow tires: Cooper Wx master, Arctic Claw, Champiro Ice, Hankook I-pike studded, Altimax Arctic (best). All out-perform these firestones.

Oh, and in the dry, they shimmy and thump. They weigh more than my all seasons as well. Like a clunky pair of boots that's a size too big you borrow when your own are wet, these are a pox on traction for all who dare buy them.

Last edited by Bill in Utah; 01/23/16 07:51 PM. Reason: changed subject word
Re: Firestone winterforce stink big time [Re: eljefino] #3977620
01/13/16 11:05 AM
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I agree, although, they make my Element sound like have have monster truck mud tires when on dry pavement, which is almost cool.

I got a deal on mine with rims on Craigslist, so they'll be worn out and replaced with something else (Altimax or Blizzaks, likely), based purely on the noise factor. These are my first set of snow tires ever, so I can't compare the traction to anything but all seasons. I do think that they're still better than an average all season in the cold, would you agree?

Re: Firestone winterforce stink big time [Re: eljefino] #3977622
01/13/16 11:06 AM
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Yeah I know a couple people who had them come included on their used cars..everyone around here drives so fast in bad conditions not sure what tires they are using..im using nokian hakka r2's and drive slower..surprised there arent more accidents. If you are looking to try something new, ive heard nothing but good things about michellin and nokian.


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Re: Firestone winterforce stink big time [Re: eljefino] #3977637
01/13/16 11:23 AM
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Rochester, NY
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The Winterforces are one of the cheapest snow tires out there for a reason... They're an old design and they suck. They're good in deep, loose snow and dirt though, so they're popular for cheap rallycross tires.

Sadly, tons of people buy them because they're cheap, or they only buy tires from their local Firestone place (and Firestone doesn't make any other snows).


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Re: Firestone winterforce stink big time [Re: eljefino] #3977655
01/13/16 11:34 AM
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Onondaga County
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I'm glad I traded up to the Champiro Icepro! Seems to have much better traction , wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy quieter on the highway, no thumping above 55 and they get good fuel economy.

The studded winterforce did make my focus into a tank. But the studs were always tearing up parking lots and made it super loud.

Although, they should be called Champiro Icepro Slushmaster. Man, these things ROCK in slush.

The Winterforce are better than an all season tire and get the job done, but they are the bottom of the barrel for winter tires. If you get them studded, they do decent on ice and hard packed surfaces - that is why mine were studded.

I'm honestly quite surprised at how well the unstudded IcePros (they are pinned) are doing for me!

I may end up buying a set of studs and putting them in myself for next winter. But I don't see a reason to do so yet.


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Re: Firestone winterforce stink big time [Re: eljefino] #3977665
01/13/16 11:39 AM
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Boston, MA
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I have heard bad things about the Firestones as well. We run Yokohama ice guards on the Malibu and they do a great job. Road noise isn't bad for a snow tire and the traction has been awesome.


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Re: Firestone winterforce stink big time [Re: eljefino] #3977698
01/13/16 12:20 PM
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Phoenix, AZ
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What's the date on the sidewall? Maybe they're old?


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2000 Toyota Camry 2.2L 230k Valvoline 5w30 & Fram Ultra
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Re: Firestone winterforce stink big time [Re: eljefino] #3977704
01/13/16 12:26 PM
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N.H, U.S.A.
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Mine work fine for me. Are you sure you are not overinflated? I wouldn't go over 29PSIG at 32+/-DEGF. Then, Your alignment ( toe and cross camber) will make the biggest difference in handling - most every car Ive driven has a bad alignment - and many unit bodys cant be brought in spec without extraordinary work. I do agree Winterforce dont balance laterally the best - but I didn't use them for high speed highway/interstate. Made my 08 Yaris go in the snow where it wouldn't move a foot on the M&S factories. Maybe certain batches don't have enough silica in the compound? IIRC mine were TAIWAN or Korean made.


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Re: Firestone winterforce stink big time [Re: eljefino] #3977737
01/13/16 01:03 PM
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I had them before on my previous car (02 Golf TDI), I had none of the issues identified.


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Re: Firestone winterforce stink big time [Re: eljefino] #3977738
01/13/16 01:03 PM
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Outdated trash I concur. Better then an all-season tires that is about it. The one set of winter tires I had the tire dealer let me return them for Blizzacks.

Re: Firestone winterforce stink big time [Re: eljefino] #3977761
01/13/16 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted By: eljefino
Like a clunky pair of boots that's a size too big you borrow when your own are wet, these are a pox on traction for all who dare buy them.

Ok, that made ma laugh. laugh

Re: Firestone winterforce stink big time [Re: madRiver] #3977765
01/13/16 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted By: madRiver
Better then an all-season tires that is about it.

Bingo. Well said.

Shame Firestone can't make a cheaper version of the Blizzak from it's sister company Bridgestone. Heck, even re-releasing an old Blizzak design with Firestone on the sidewall at an economical price would be a hot seller.

Re: Firestone winterforce stink big time [Re: Nick1994] #3977771
01/13/16 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: Nick1994
What's the date on the sidewall? Maybe they're old?


+1

Re: Firestone winterforce stink big time [Re: Bottom_Feeder] #3977779
01/13/16 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Better then an all-season tires that is about it.

Bingo. Well said.

Shame Firestone can't make a cheaper version of the Blizzak from it's sister company Bridgestone. Heck, even re-releasing an old Blizzak design with Firestone on the sidewall at an economical price would be a hot seller.

That is great idea! The original Blizzak WS-15's were awesome! Much better than most of the cheap "winter" tires out there.


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Re: Firestone winterforce stink big time [Re: eljefino] #3977819
01/13/16 02:48 PM
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eljefino Offline OP
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Date code 3511. I won't feel bad burning these up on my highway commute! Make this their final season, get a DTD labor day rebate trifecta again.

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