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Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 API SN in 1991 Proton Saga #3891816
10/20/15 07:58 PM
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Oil is pre pureplus version.
Again, they say its high lead, but what I don't get is, this is probably happening since the engine has been rebuilt 11 years back, if the wear is excessive, wouldn't I get low oil pressure by now? But, oil pressure is great ! At 90C its registering about 20psi. Some of you may have read my question about smoke at start up, I noticed a fair amount of water coming out from the exhaust as the exhaust gets warmer, well from this report and from my observation of the oil on the filler cap and dipstick, there is no water in the oil. So probably its exhaust condensation trapped in the S flow muffler.
Is the high lead caused by improper break in..maybe the bearings are still breaking in till today...

Last edited by alcyon; 10/20/15 07:59 PM.

Kyosho Optima Mid SWB, LWB and Lazer ZX
1991 Proton Saga 1.3S SOLD
1989 Toyota Soarer GT Twin Turbo L
Re: Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 API SN in 1991 Proton Saga [Re: alcyon] #3891983
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TBN is too low... Might to switch to <10k

Re: Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 API SN in 1991 Proton Saga [Re: Voltmaster] #3891997
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Originally Posted By: Voltmaster
TBN is too low... Might to switch to <10k


No TBN on the latest uoa.


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Re: Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 API SN in 1991 Proton Saga [Re: Voltmaster] #3892049
10/21/15 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted By: Voltmaster
TBN is too low... Might to switch to <10k

i decided not to do tbn this round..since the malaysian currency has dropped significantly and 10 bucks is a lot right now. Anyway at 11000km the tbn is for sure somewhere around 3 to 4 so i am not worried at all. I also notice the oil has thickened just a tad..so i guess
that it is done after all with the low quality ron 95 fuels we get here.
any other possible area where the lead is coming from?


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1991 Proton Saga 1.3S SOLD
1989 Toyota Soarer GT Twin Turbo L
Re: Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 API SN in 1991 Proton Saga [Re: Voltmaster] #3892052
10/21/15 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted By: Voltmaster
TBN is too low... Might to switch to <10k
LOL its blank for TBN, not 0.4 which is the percent of insoluble.

Last edited by 01_celica_gt; 10/21/15 12:49 AM.

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Re: Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 API SN in 1991 Proton Saga [Re: alcyon] #3892059
10/21/15 12:51 AM
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i just saw the pictures of your car's interior, man that looks ancient.


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Re: Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 API SN in 1991 Proton Saga [Re: 01_celica_gt] #3892066
10/21/15 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted By: 01_celica_gt
i just saw the pictures of your car's interior, man that looks ancient.

yes it is..its a 1980s design..however it is decent inside with no dashboard cracks so i guess that is all that matters to me.


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1989 Toyota Soarer GT Twin Turbo L
Re: Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 API SN in 1991 Proton Saga [Re: alcyon] #3892108
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Originally Posted By: alcyon
i decided not to do tbn this round..since the malaysian currency has dropped significantly and 10 bucks is a lot right now. Anyway at 11000km the tbn is for sure somewhere around 3 to 4 so i am not worried at all. I also notice the oil has thickened just a tad..so i guess
that it is done after all with the low quality ron 95 fuels we get here.
any other possible area where the lead is coming from?



Not sure how the gasoline 500 ppm Sulfur content is affecting this used oil qualities , wait for experts to chime.

Btw, what's the oil types in the 2 previous sample? blush

Re: Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 API SN in 1991 Proton Saga [Re: zeng] #3892133
10/21/15 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted By: zeng
Originally Posted By: alcyon
i decided not to do tbn this round..since the malaysian currency has dropped significantly and 10 bucks is a lot right now. Anyway at 11000km the tbn is for sure somewhere around 3 to 4 so i am not worried at all. I also notice the oil has thickened just a tad..so i guess
that it is done after all with the low quality ron 95 fuels we get here.
any other possible area where the lead is coming from?



Not sure how the gasoline 500 ppm Sulfur content is affecting this used oil qualities , wait for experts to chime.

Btw, what's the oil types in the 2 previous sample? blush

1st was castrol edge 0w 40 api sm
2nd amsoil 10w 40


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1991 Proton Saga 1.3S SOLD
1989 Toyota Soarer GT Twin Turbo L
Re: Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 API SN in 1991 Proton Saga [Re: alcyon] #3892226
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Thanks for the update.

Basing on a typical [email protected] of 13.1 cSt (assuming it's your initial value) and flash point of 419 F, despite fuel content at <0.5% , your UOA [email protected] has increased to 14.2 and insolubles of 0.4% seems to me an indication of thermal degradation and oxidation.

Do you encounter high coolant temperature, high rpm drive and too frequent short trips? confused

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Re: Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 API SN in 1991 Proton Saga [Re: zeng] #3892414
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Originally Posted By: zeng
Thanks for the update.

Basing on a typical [email protected] of 13.1 cSt (assuming it's your initial value) and flash point of 419 F, despite fuel content at <0.5% , your UOA [email protected] has increased to 14.2 and insolubles of 0.4% seems to me an indication of thermal degradation and oxidation.

Do you encounter high coolant temperature, high rpm drive and too frequent short trips? confused


I would draw a completely different conclusion.

To me the metals do not look oil related but I suspect an engine mechanical issue.


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Re: Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 API SN in 1991 Proton Saga [Re: camrydriver111] #3892992
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Originally Posted By: camrydriver111
Originally Posted By: zeng
Thanks for the update.

Basing on a typical [email protected] of 13.1 cSt (assuming it's your initial value) and flash point of 419 F, despite fuel content at <0.5% , your UOA [email protected] has increased to 14.2 and insolubles of 0.4% seems to me an indication of thermal degradation and oxidation.

Do you encounter high coolant temperature, high rpm drive and too frequent short trips? confused


I would draw a completely different conclusion.

To me the metals do not look oil related but I suspect an engine mechanical issue.

no high coolant temp and oil temp either. Oil temp reaches 106c when driving at highway speeds for long periods. Normally oil temp never reach a 100c .
coolant tenp never more than half. Each trip minimum 30km on most days. What perpelexes me is the engine runs great with good oil pressure.
there was some pinging on accelration.after this oil change I just only retarded timing by 1 degree and engine seems to run queiter with no pinging anymorw but some lose of accelaration.
It could be improper break in..its still breaking in until now.

Last edited by alcyon; 10/21/15 07:42 PM.

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1991 Proton Saga 1.3S SOLD
1989 Toyota Soarer GT Twin Turbo L
Re: Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 API SN in 1991 Proton Saga [Re: Benito] #3893302
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Originally Posted By: Benito
Originally Posted By: Voltmaster
TBN is too low... Might to switch to <10k


No TBN on the latest uoa.


My mistake I thought the insol was the TBN i was like holy god...

Re: Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 API SN in 1991 Proton Saga [Re: camrydriver111] #3893308
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Originally Posted By: camrydriver111
[quote=zeng]I would draw a completely different conclusion.

To me the metals do not look oil related but I suspect an engine mechanical issue.


Look like you are right , thumbsup

Re: Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 API SN in 1991 Proton Saga [Re: zeng] #3893325
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Originally Posted By: zeng
Originally Posted By: camrydriver111
[quote=zeng]I would draw a completely different conclusion.

To me the metals do not look oil related but I suspect an engine mechanical issue.


Look like you are right , thumbsup

no specific conclusion has been proven right at this moment. Don't jump the gun.

Last edited by alcyon; 10/22/15 04:28 AM.

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