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'07 Civic Si Amsoil ss 0w30 8k miles+drag strip #3875263
10/05/15 12:20 AM
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Well I doubled my OCI on Amsoil sig series 0w30. I guess it's not a great test to compare because the other oci's didn't include drag strip time. A friend of mine says to run the 5w30 because he believes it is slightly thicker at op temp. The Kinematic Viscosity @ 100C is 10.5 for the 0w30 and 10.4 for the 5w30. I don't think I should change what I am doing. Lead is up from 0 to 4 ppm, but that is probably from launching the car 20+ times (5 or 6 times on a really sticky lane at the track). Other metals are up as well, but I did double the mileage the oil is in the car for. Car has 95k miles and is driven hard daily in hot FL. Shifting around 8200rpm track and street. I've gone a step further this time around and am now running a bypass filtration kit on this car with the 0w30 from Amsoil. Probably overkill (i'm a car nerd), but long live the k20!
Thoughts?



Re: '07 Civic Si Amsoil ss 0w30 8k miles+drag strip [Re: Guitarman200806] #3875268
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Nice results. But definitely overkill for 8k miles. Which oil filter do you use?

If you live in FL and drive it really hard, I'd use Mobil 1 0w40, s2000 oil filter, overfill 0.5-0.7 qts and call it a day.

Yes, I know it's spec'd for xw30, bla bla bla. xw40 is recommended for K20a's and K20z's worldwide, especially in hot climates.


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Re: '07 Civic Si Amsoil ss 0w30 8k miles+drag strip [Re: Guitarman200806] #3875294
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Nothing at all is wrong with that report. You could certainly go longer. I'd stick with what's working.


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Re: '07 Civic Si Amsoil ss 0w30 8k miles+drag strip [Re: demarpaint] #3875342
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Nothing at all is wrong with that report. You could certainly go longer. I'd stick with what's working.


+1 and with a TBN of 6.0 you could easily have gone another 8k miles more than likely.


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Re: '07 Civic Si Amsoil ss 0w30 8k miles+drag strip [Re: Guitarman200806] #3875356
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Looks pretty good! There are not many cars that you can drag and still have single digit wear numbers.


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56,xxx miles
PPPP 0w20 / Fram Ultra

2014 VW Jetta SE 1.8T ea888
44,xxx miles
Castrol Edge 0w40 / OEM filter
Re: '07 Civic Si Amsoil ss 0w30 8k miles+drag strip [Re: Guitarman200806] #3875371
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Nice report. I have used the 0W/30 SSO since the first OC in my 13SI with the exception of the 5/30 ASL in this last change. Great oil, no reason to change a thing. The difference in viscosity at operating temp is insignificant between the two. You could run either and I doubt the results would be any different. The only advantage to using the 5/30 ASL is it is a tad bit cheaper.


2013 Civic SI Sedan Amsoil 5/30 ASL Fram Ultra 90k miles

2018 Acura RDX Tech, VCM disabled, Amsoil 5/20 XLM Fram Ultra 5k miles

2003 Toyota Highlander Castrol Magnatec 5/30 Fram Ultra 171k miles
Re: '07 Civic Si Amsoil ss 0w30 8k miles+drag strip [Re: Guitarman200806] #3875487
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Dragstrip runs aren't much effort and the metals are higher because the oil was run longer and non of the Metals are high.


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Re: '07 Civic Si Amsoil ss 0w30 8k miles+drag strip [Re: dgunay] #3875560
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@dgunay I used to run the stock Honda S2000 filter (thats what was used on the previous two runs on the slip) but this run was with the Amsoil Ea S2000 filter (Ea15k20 I believe). I have more than one person telling me to use a 0w40 in this car, but I'm hesitant to change as I drive hard and still get good results with the 0w30. Maybe if I road race the car with friends in a few months, I'll consider the 40wt. Idk, I'm kinda curious how the 0w30 would do at a track for 10-20 minute sessions.

Last edited by Guitarman200806; 10/05/15 11:04 AM.

2007 Honda Civic Si - Amsoil AZO 0w30
Re: '07 Civic Si Amsoil ss 0w30 8k miles+drag strip [Re: CT8] #3877403
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Originally Posted By: CT8
Dragstrip runs aren't much effort and the metals are higher because the oil was run longer and non of the Metals are high.


Ditto!

Originally Posted By: Guitarman200806
@dgunay I used to run the stock Honda S2000 filter (thats what was used on the previous two runs on the slip) but this run was with the Amsoil Ea S2000 filter (Ea15k20 I believe). I have more than one person telling me to use a 0w40 in this car, but I'm hesitant to change as I drive hard and still get good results with the 0w30. Maybe if I road race the car with friends in a few months, I'll consider the 40wt. Idk, I'm kinda curious how the 0w30 would do at a track for 10-20 minute sessions.


As mentioned, xw30 is recommended for K series in North America due to emission purposes. It is totally fine for city driving, cruising or short term racing. But I wouldn't take risk using 0w30 at the track or long sessions.

I used caterham blend at the track (3+ hr in 2 sessions), still runs fine. I have put about 5k miles on the same oil and still using it. No oil consumption so far.

Oh btw, here is my video if you're interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxe-ZTRjl-E

But the BIG difference is, I live in Toronto. We rarely see 90 f temps around here.


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Re: '07 Civic Si Amsoil ss 0w30 8k miles+drag strip [Re: Guitarman200806] #3877448
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Honda engines (and Toyota) can generate very low iron numbers consistently. I asked why in another thread a while back and a few of the replies were something like "Honda/Toyota owners drive like grannies, making metal wear low". I think this proves that theory wrong.

Re: '07 Civic Si Amsoil ss 0w30 8k miles+drag strip [Re: dgunay] #3877841
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Originally Posted By: dgunay
Originally Posted By: CT8
Dragstrip runs aren't much effort and the metals are higher because the oil was run longer and non of the Metals are high.


Ditto!

Originally Posted By: Guitarman200806
@dgunay I used to run the stock Honda S2000 filter (thats what was used on the previous two runs on the slip) but this run was with the Amsoil Ea S2000 filter (Ea15k20 I believe). I have more than one person telling me to use a 0w40 in this car, but I'm hesitant to change as I drive hard and still get good results with the 0w30. Maybe if I road race the car with friends in a few months, I'll consider the 40wt. Idk, I'm kinda curious how the 0w30 would do at a track for 10-20 minute sessions.


As mentioned, xw30 is recommended for K series in North America due to emission purposes. It is totally fine for city driving, cruising or short term racing. But I wouldn't take risk using 0w30 at the track or long sessions.

I used caterham blend at the track (3+ hr in 2 sessions), still runs fine. I have put about 5k miles on the same oil and still using it. No oil consumption so far.

Oh btw, here is my video if you're interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxe-ZTRjl-E

But the BIG difference is, I live in Toronto. We rarely see 90 f temps around here.



In the US (and in Canada I believe), base model K series engines like the k20a3 and the k24s are actually rated for a xw20 oil for emissions purposes. It's just a trick for some extra mpg. Tolerances are said to be identical in the base and high-end, high-rev engines like our z3. So theoretically, you could use an xw20 in our motor for just light in town driving and would probably see an increase in fuel economy. I am under the impression that Honda has already accounted for the use these high-revving motors get by recommending an xw30 for the sporty models. I believe that the extra layer of protection provided by the xw30 is enough for 99% of these engines and their hard use. I beat the snot out of mine (after a gentle warmup) and have never had a bad UOA on any xw30. If you look at my Blackstone report, the very first results dated 7/10/2013 are from when the car was running honda genuine synthetic blend 5w20. Al is higher as is Iron, but it still wasn't a huge difference. No doubt, the xw30 is a better choice and has been used since in my k20.

I believe that if the xw30 is still giving me 90psi on my oil press. gauge at 8000 rpm, there is no problem using it. At the strip, I did 7 passes consecutively and still had good pressure after every run. Mobil 1 0w40 is a stout oil that I would use if I believed I needed a 0w40 for this car. But with oil pressure and temp gauges, I'm not too worried about running the xw30 at Sebring for the day.

By the way, glad to see you use your Si to greater potential. Nice video dgunay!

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2007 Honda Civic Si - Amsoil AZO 0w30
Re: '07 Civic Si Amsoil ss 0w30 8k miles+drag strip [Re: Guitarman200806] #3877849
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I understand the 20w oils and CAFE standards.


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Re: '07 Civic Si Amsoil ss 0w30 8k miles+drag strip [Re: gregk24] #3877874
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Originally Posted By: gregk24
Looks pretty good! There are not many cars that you can drag and still have single digit wear numbers.




Without trended data it's meaningless. In fact without data who says these values aren't high.
And drag racing isn't that hard on a warm engine. It's harder on the suspension and drive line than it is the engine.
And why haven't you absorbed yet that wear cannot be determined from a used oil analysis. Are you intentionally ignoring that or is it more than you can understand.


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Re: '07 Civic Si Amsoil ss 0w30 8k miles+drag strip [Re: Guitarman200806] #3878051
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Originally Posted By: Guitarman200806

In the US (and in Canada I believe), base model K series engines like the k20a3 and the k24s are actually rated for a xw20 oil for emissions purposes. It's just a trick for some extra mpg. Tolerances are said to be identical in the base and high-end, high-rev engines like our z3. So theoretically, you could use an xw20 in our motor for just light in town driving and would probably see an increase in fuel economy. I am under the impression that Honda has already accounted for the use these high-revving motors get by recommending an xw30 for the sporty models. I believe that the extra layer of protection provided by the xw30 is enough for 99% of these engines and their hard use. I beat the snot out of mine (after a gentle warmup) and have never had a bad UOA on any xw30. If you look at my Blackstone report, the very first results dated 7/10/2013 are from when the car was running honda genuine synthetic blend 5w20. Al is higher as is Iron, but it still wasn't a huge difference. No doubt, the xw30 is a better choice and has been used since in my k20.

I believe that if the xw30 is still giving me 90psi on my oil press. gauge at 8000 rpm, there is no problem using it. At the strip, I did 7 passes consecutively and still had good pressure after every run. Mobil 1 0w40 is a stout oil that I would use if I believed I needed a 0w40 for this car. But with oil pressure and temp gauges, I'm not too worried about running the xw30 at Sebring for the day.

By the way, glad to see you use your Si to greater potential. Nice video dgunay!


Thanks. It's been my daily driver so it's mostly stock with few mods. It needs better tires and suspension, of course!

I was going to say w30 for "rev happy" k series (k20a2, k20z3), I know it's 0w20 or 5w20 for regular hondas. LOL

It's more than likely that you would see lower oil pressure at track due to increasing oil temp, but anything more than 75 psi is good. Please share the results!


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Re: '07 Civic Si Amsoil ss 0w30 8k miles+drag strip [Re: dgunay] #3878219
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Worst thing to happen would be to do a cool off lap or quit for awhile if temps get too high. We're not talking racing, it's more like an open track for the day so you don't have to go flap out for an hour. Maybe 20 minutes tops. Do these K series really see super high temps in short track sessions? I didn't think thicker oil was necessary for light track use. There is that heat exchanger on the z3 and a2 motors that Honda calls an "oil cooler" lol.


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