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Re: Snow tires. [Re: hattaresguy] #3798435 07/22/15 06:59 PM
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DTD is no where near me, but thank's I think I'll grab a set without studs.

A friends shop will mount them for like $20, so the mounting cost is nill.

I never ran snow tires so I suspect the additional traction of snow tires will be enough.

I think $500 +/- for a set of snow tires is money well spent.

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Re: Snow tires. [Re: hattaresguy] #3798539 07/22/15 08:29 PM
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I did DTD for Hankooks, $500 plus $80 for a local shop to mount and balance on some steelies. Very happy. At least with new tires I can't hear a difference. I have to wonder if I would be able to hear studs, but I don't feel a need for them up here.


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Re: Snow tires. [Re: hattaresguy] #3798688 07/22/15 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
DTD is no where near me, but thank's I think I'll grab a set without studs.

A friends shop will mount them for like $20, so the mounting cost is nill.

I never ran snow tires so I suspect the additional traction of snow tires will be enough.

I think $500 +/- for a set of snow tires is money well spent.

DTD is online only, DT/AT are brick/mortar stores.

DTD's price includes shipping, but they do price match other online total price.

Waiting till Labor day for possible sale/rebate is a good idea, because you don't need snow tires until November.


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Re: Snow tires. [Re: Johnny2Bad] #3798721 07/22/15 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: Johnny2Bad
Studded tire performance places them at the bottom of the pack, and not by a small margin, when it comes to cornering grip and stoppin distance.


I was considering Nokian Hakka 8s (studded) or R2s (not studded) last year for our new Forester, and the comparison tests I found showed the 8s beat the R2s in... actually, pretty much everything. In the big comparison tests (10+ types of tire), most of the best-rated tires were studded.

I think the only thing they were consistently worse at was stopping in the rain, where pretty much all snow tires suck. The only real downside of the studs on the Nokians is having to turn up the stereo to cover the extra road noise.

However, it's also worth considering the temperatures you drive at, since studs can't dig into ice below about -20C, and start to become a liability there.

Re: Snow tires. [Re: emg] #3798919 07/23/15 08:53 AM
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Studded tire performance places them at the bottom of the pack, and not by a small margin, when it comes to cornering grip and stoppin distance.


I was considering Nokian Hakka 8s (studded) or R2s (not studded) last year for our new Forester, and the comparison tests I found showed the 8s beat the R2s in... actually, pretty much everything. In the big comparison tests (10+ types of tire), most of the best-rated tires were studded.

I think the only thing they were consistently worse at was stopping in the rain, where pretty much all snow tires suck. The only real downside of the studs on the Nokians is having to turn up the stereo to cover the extra road noise.

However, it's also worth considering the temperatures you drive at, since studs can't dig into ice below about -20C, and start to become a liability there.


Nokian! Now we're talking snow tires!

Just wish they weren't so darn hard to find.


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Re: Snow tires. [Re: Miller88] #3798925 07/23/15 09:02 AM
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Nokian! Now we're talking snow tires!

Just wish they weren't so darn hard to find.

Many local tire shops carry them. You can find your nearest one here:
http://www.nokiantires.com/where-to-buy/dealer-locator/

They have quite a few in Syracuse area, if that's where you are.


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Re: Snow tires. [Re: HTSS_TR] #3799908 07/24/15 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
DTD is no where near me, but thank's I think I'll grab a set without studs.

A friends shop will mount them for like $20, so the mounting cost is nill.

I never ran snow tires so I suspect the additional traction of snow tires will be enough.

I think $500 +/- for a set of snow tires is money well spent.

DTD is online only, DT/AT are brick/mortar stores.

DTD's price includes shipping, but they do price match other online total price.

Waiting till Labor day for possible sale/rebate is a good idea, because you don't need snow tires until November.


Maybe I'll wait for a sale as well. I was just bored and tireracks price seemed pretty good.

Re: Snow tires. [Re: hattaresguy] #3799920 07/24/15 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Maybe I'll wait for a sale as well. I was just bored and tireracks price seemed pretty good.

The winter tires they have in stock right now were likely made last year, so you'll be getting rubber that is already a year old. If you wait until the Fall, you will likely get this year's production.

Based on my experience, rubber age is critical for winter tires. With age, the soft winter rubber hardens and is no longer as effective in snow. My Altimax Arctic will soon need replacing not because of low tread depth but because of their age and how hard they've become. So, try to get them as fresh as you can.


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Re: Snow tires. [Re: hattaresguy] #3800962 07/25/15 10:12 AM
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I have a set of these for my '14 Caravan....they are a big improvement over the factory rubber...wife's Subaru has Blizzaks and that thing is unstoppable in the winter. Generals don't seem as good as the Blizzaks but it's hard to compare a fwd van to an awd Subaru.

No reason to get studded.

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I have the General Altimax Arctics on my Forester. They have been nothing short of unbelievable the last three winters.,I'll eventually be replacing them with another set. Studded tires not allowed here in Illinois.


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Re: Snow tires. [Re: mistersooty] #3801462 07/25/15 10:11 PM
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I put a new set of 4 Altimax Arctic on the Sequoia last year. I went through Mavis price match and they beat tirebuyer. I had first set many seasons until they got worn and hard rubber. awesome snows especially for the price. Sequoia (in 4WD) rolled right through the 20" snows that we had couple times.

Re: Snow tires. Nokian Dealer in Central NY [Re: Miller88] #3809332 08/02/15 07:36 AM
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I've been living on the edge of the "Lake Effect" snow belt of Central NY amd averaging 35-45K mi yearly. Ever since I discovered Nokian (previously Nokia!) tires about 25 yrs. agoI've used their snow tires almost exclusively. In my experience every new model has been a distinct a distinct improvement over it's predecessor. Unless you're dealing with severe ice issues a large amount of the time I think the R2 would be more than enough tire! The Hakka 8 is better on ice and perhaps deep snow but in most other areas the R2 is better i.e., dry/wet handling & stopping, noise & comfort. Hakka 7 & 8 can be had un studded and are cheaper than R2 but both Nokian Tech & long time AUDI/Nokian dealer into rallying/ice racing say the R2 performs better in snow/ice than the Hakka 7 & 8 w/o studs.
For that guy from Onondaga county which I presume is the Syracuse, NY area there is a new shop in Morrisville, NY 30 mi. E who has Nokian prices as low as anywhere in the US. They also just bought a high end alignment machine and have an excellent all around mechanic for other repairs. The name of the shop is A & R Tire. No personal interest other than trying to promote an honest & competent shop. http://www.artireservicecenter.com/

BTW Nokian makes a great, moderately priced summer perfomance tire the Zline.

Re: Snow tires. Nokian Dealer in Central NY [Re: stuffinder] #3809873 08/02/15 06:32 PM
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Shokan??

But they are not in an area that I would consider "upstate" (well maybe lower upstate wink ).


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Re: Snow tires. Nokian Dealer in Central NY [Re: hattaresguy] #3809955 08/02/15 08:00 PM
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Imagine mentioning Michelin as cheaper alternative.
Yep when compared to Nokian winter tires Michelin is bargain.

I am not sure if R2 is better than Michelin Xice Xi3 or brand new Bridgestone Blizzak WS80. Nokian's are much more expensive though.

We have zLine on wife's Volvo S40. They are decent summer tires for good price.

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Re: Snow tires. Nokian Dealer in Central NY [Re: hattaresguy] #3810644 08/03/15 02:31 PM
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Even the cheapest Nokian dealers are a lot. Unless you can get a discontinued, new model of tire. That is what my parents did with their Hakkapellita 4s. The Escape is awesome in the snow. Couldn't break traction on an icy hill with the wheels turned sharp and gas pedal on the floor.


Guess it depends. I think Morrisville would be "Central" NY as it's only a few miles from the geographical center of the state!


But Syracuse would be similar. It's "Upstate" to anyone in NYC.

I found Sunny SN3860 I will probably be getting. Seems to have a similar tread pattern to the Hack-them-all and Altimax Arctic, is snowflake rated. Lots of sipes so I won't have to have them studded.

Selling the Winterforce. $120 for a set with 3/4 tread seems fair.


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