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Re: hm oil additives ?? [Re: MolaKule] #3784363 07/08/15 08:11 PM
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It's actually my valve cover gasket. I replaced a year ago but it still has a slight leak. I suppose I could snug those bolts a tad bit I torqued them to specification when I did the job bit who knows


There is no such thing as a conversion fluid that will turn a regular PCMO into an HM oil.

What you have been shown so far are simply oil thickeners for smokers.





So if he added seal swell it wouldn't really be seal swell but an oil thickener?

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So if he added seal swell it wouldn't really be seal swell but an oil thickener?


Are you really asking a sincere question or just double palming?


A Seal swell by itself is not an oil thickener.

But https://gumout.com/high-mileage-oil-treatment/ IS a seal swell WITH an oil thickener.

Motor Honey, STP, and most other similar products similar are just oil thickeners.

The point is, there is no OTC "additive" for conversion.

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Re: hm oil additives ?? [Re: MolaKule] #3785728 07/09/15 11:24 PM
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So if he added seal swell it wouldn't really be seal swell but an oil thickener?


Are you really asking a sincere question or just double palming?


A Seal swell by itself is not an oil thickener.

But https://gumout.com/high-mileage-oil-treatment/ IS a seal swell WITH an oil thickener.

Motor Honey, STP, and most other similar products similar are just oil thickeners.

The point is, there is no OTC "additive" for conversion.


Palming is a technique for holding or concealing an object in the palm of the hand. It is used frequently by magicians to conceal the presence of a card, coin, or other object. When it is done skillfully, the hand containing the palmed object appears to be completely empty.
That's Wikipedia's definition of palming. So no I'm not in to magic tricks. Sorry if that's disappointing for you.

Re: hm oil additives ?? [Re: Bigdaddyeasy] #3785806 07/10/15 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
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So if he added seal swell it wouldn't really be seal swell but an oil thickener?


Are you really asking a sincere question or just double palming?


A Seal swell by itself is not an oil thickener.

But https://gumout.com/high-mileage-oil-treatment/ IS a seal swell WITH an oil thickener.

Motor Honey, STP, and most other similar products similar are just oil thickeners.

The point is, there is no OTC "additive" for conversion.


Palming is a technique for holding or concealing an object in the palm of the hand. It is used frequently by magicians to conceal the presence of a card, coin, or other object. When it is done skillfully, the hand containing the palmed object appears to be completely empty.
That's Wikipedia's definition of palming. So no I'm not in to magic tricks. Sorry if that's disappointing for you.



I think he means this:


Re: hm oil additives ?? [Re: ronp] #3786105 07/10/15 12:09 PM
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Thanks Trajan, but I think he's just messin' with everyone by trying to be cute and flippant.

He never did say if his question was sincere or flippant.

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Re: hm oil additives ?? [Re: MolaKule] #3786116 07/10/15 12:34 PM
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Thanks Trajan, but I think he's just messin' with everyone by trying to be cute and flippant.


Maybe...

Originally Posted By: MolaKule


He never did say if his question was sincere or flippant.


Triple Picard palm smile

Re: hm oil additives ?? [Re: ronp] #3786126 07/10/15 12:59 PM
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what do the maxlife oil additives do? Are they seal swelling type or just cleaning and conditioning?

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Re: hm oil additives ?? [Re: ronp] #3786228 07/10/15 03:07 PM
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All formulated oils contain some measure of seal conditioners and cleaners. The HM oils have a small fraction more of each.


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Various organic Phosphates, Nitriles, aromatic hydrocarbons, and esters have been developed to affect:

1. what component in an engine or transmission, or hydraulic systems?

2. And how does it affect this component?




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These are all seal conditioners, which work by one or more of these methods:

1. Cleaning the seal,
2. swelling the seal slightly by replacing elastomer molecules.

In 1980, Lubrizol patented a seal swell additve using "beta-thiopropionitrile" chemical which replaces the nitrile atoms lost to wear, oxidation, and sludge encroachment.

In addition, the ester di(2-ethylhexyl)-adipate (a di-ester), or similar ester equivalents, are often added to PAO and Group III base fluids, at about 5%, to improve seal swell.



http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...well#Post530224


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Re: hm oil additives ?? [Re: MolaKule] #3786285 07/10/15 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
All formulated oils contain some measure of seal conditioners and cleaners. The HM oils have a small fraction more of each.

You may have seen me grousing in the Defy thread. Without getting into intellectual property or a lot of hand waving, how much more seal conditioners could an SN/GF-5 HM oil have in comparison to the "regular" SN/GF-5 version of the oil? When they came out, HM seemed to mean extra AW, extra seal conditioners, and extra viscosity. Now, with many transitioning to actual ILSAC certification, the only "extra" I see is on the pricing side of things.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: hm oil additives ?? [Re: MolaKule] #3786382 07/10/15 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Thanks Trajan, but I think he's just messin' with everyone by trying to be cute and flippant.

He never did say if his question was sincere or flippant.


It was a sincere question. Your initial response lead me to sacrifice 15 min. Of my time trying to figure out what you meant by double palming though smile. I'm ok with it though as I have a few new definitions stored in my brain now such as palming palm trees and palming to preform magic tricks.

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In addition, the ester di(2-ethylhexyl)-adipate (a di-ester), or similar ester equivalents, are often added to PAO and Group III base fluids, at about 5%, to improve seal swell.



Is the above the main ingredient of the ATP-205 Reseal/Blue Devil additives??

Both have that same strong alcohol-ester smell to them.


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Re: hm oil additives ?? [Re: dailydriver] #3787428 07/12/15 02:30 AM
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In addition, the ester di(2-ethylhexyl)-adipate (a di-ester), or similar ester equivalents, are often added to PAO and Group III base fluids, at about 5%, to improve seal swell.



Is the above the main ingredient of the ATP-205 Reseal/Blue Devil additives??

Both have that same strong alcohol-ester smell to them.


No, not even close.


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Re: hm oil additives ?? [Re: Garak] #3788359 07/12/15 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
All formulated oils contain some measure of seal conditioners and cleaners. The HM oils have a small fraction more of each.

You may have seen me grousing in the Defy thread. Without getting into intellectual property or a lot of hand waving, how much more seal conditioners could an SN/GF-5 HM oil have in comparison to the "regular" SN/GF-5 version of the oil? When they came out, HM seemed to mean extra AW, extra seal conditioners, and extra viscosity. Now, with many transitioning to actual ILSAC certification, the only "extra" I see is on the pricing side of things.

I wonder the same thing myself.

Is there any answer on this yet?

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Re: hm oil additives ?? [Re: MolaKule] #3788630 07/13/15 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
All formulated oils contain some measure of seal conditioners and cleaners. The HM oils have a small fraction more of each.


Quote:
Various organic Phosphates, Nitriles, aromatic hydrocarbons, and esters have been developed to affect:

1. what component in an engine or transmission, or hydraulic systems?

2. And how does it affect this component?




Quote:
These are all seal conditioners, which work by one or more of these methods:

1. Cleaning the seal,
2. swelling the seal slightly by replacing elastomer molecules.

In 1980, Lubrizol patented a seal swell additve using "beta-thiopropionitrile" chemical which replaces the nitrile atoms lost to wear, oxidation, and sludge encroachment.

In addition, the ester di(2-ethylhexyl)-adipate (a di-ester), or similar ester equivalents, are often added to PAO and Group III base fluids, at about 5%, to improve seal swell.



http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...well#Post530224


This doesn't tell me a thing about whether or not Maxlife uses seal conditioners, swellers or both.


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Re: hm oil additives ?? [Re: badtlc] #3788724 07/13/15 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
All formulated oils contain some measure of seal conditioners and cleaners. The HM oils have a small fraction more of each.


Quote:
Various organic Phosphates, Nitriles, aromatic hydrocarbons, and esters have been developed to affect:

1. what component in an engine or transmission, or hydraulic systems?

2. And how does it affect this component?




Quote:
These are all seal conditioners, which work by one or more of these methods:

1. Cleaning the seal,
2. swelling the seal slightly by replacing elastomer molecules.

In 1980, Lubrizol patented a seal swell additve using "beta-thiopropionitrile" chemical which replaces the nitrile atoms lost to wear, oxidation, and sludge encroachment.

In addition, the ester di(2-ethylhexyl)-adipate (a di-ester), or similar ester equivalents, are often added to PAO and Group III base fluids, at about 5%, to improve seal swell.



http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...well#Post530224


This doesn't tell me a thing about whether or not Maxlife uses seal conditioners, swellers or both.


Sure it does:

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These are all seal conditioners, which work by one or more of these methods:

1. Cleaning the seal,
2. swelling the seal slightly by replacing elastomer molecules.


By replacing elastomer molecules in the seal material, the seal's volume is increased which swells it.

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