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Re: New Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 [Re: Astro14] #3673683 03/22/15 01:15 AM
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I will say that my Trans-Am was the worst snow car I've ever driven.

Ever.

The combination of low weight over the driven wheels, high torque, overly responsive throttle, and wide tires were a hideous combination in snow.


True, but it IS 'doable' with 225 section width (or less) R2s (or the equivalent), and 200 lbs. of Speedy dry in the hatch, and 2nd gear starts with a T56. wink


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Re: New Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 [Re: SubLGT] #3674124 03/22/15 12:40 PM
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Re: New Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 [Re: SubLGT] #3738686 05/23/15 10:52 AM
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Now available on TR website:

TR test report:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=199


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Re: New Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 [Re: SubLGT] #3738839 05/23/15 04:41 PM
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Snow handling is still likely garbage.

My Nokian WR G2's with 4/32" left handled the snow/ice/slush better then brand new Conti DWS.


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Re: New Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 [Re: rjundi] #3739025 05/23/15 08:20 PM
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Snow handling is still likely garbage.

My Nokian WR G2's with 4/32" left handled the snow/ice/slush better then brand new Conti DWS.


Of course, it is AS tire.


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Re: New Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 [Re: edyvw] #3743101 05/28/15 03:06 PM
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I Run Conti ExtremeWinterContact in winter; awesome tire. Have used Nokians. Blizzaks and Coopers in the past. Conti's are better than all of them except on glare ice/ freezing Rain, where they are about 90% vs Blizzaks.

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Re: New Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 [Re: SubLGT] #3749750 06/04/15 07:25 AM
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While I usually run dedicated snows, living on the edge of the "lake effect" snow belt near Syracuse NY I've recently had experience with DWS. I bought a '95 AUDI S6 Avant w/fresh set of DWS in Jan '12 in Ohio. Not a good tire in real snow/lce conditions IMHO and I replaced them w/Nokian Hakkapelitta R2's soon after returning to NY. Run the DWS as Summers until I sold car. I bought '06 A6 Avant for wife and put R2's on it. Liked it so much I bought another '07 A6 Avant and didn't feel I needed two snowmobiles so I put Nokian WRG3's on it for year round use. I still had the '95 w/DWS on it for comparision. The DWS don't hold a candle to the WRG3's in snow/ice IMHO. Both are rated AS but Nokian excels in winter connditions. Not sure how DWS06 will compare. In my opinion Nokians are worth the money if you see severe winter conditions. I'm amazed at how close the WRG3's are to the R2's also!

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WR G3 sports snowflake/mountain logo on its sidewall unlike DWS.
It is meant to be better in winter.

Krzys

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WR G3 sports snowflake/mountain logo on its sidewall unlike DWS.
It is meant to be better in winter.

Krzys

Nokian WR G3 is DEDICATED winter tire! Comparing DWS with WR G3 is like comparing apples and oranges, maybe even worse.


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I loved my previous DWSs. When it comes time to get another set of All-seasons, I'll be considering these as well.

I thought the previous gen handled phenominally in the snow for an all season tire. There are a lot of factors that go into a tire hooking up in snowy conditions though.. Like one poster said, weight compared to drive wheels, width of driven wheels.. It could still be a very good tire but the combination just doesn't work..


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Re: New Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 [Re: ccap41] #3750229 06/04/15 04:38 PM
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I loved my previous DWSs. When it comes time to get another set of All-seasons, I'll be considering these as well.

I thought the previous gen handled phenominally in the snow for an all season tire. There are a lot of factors that go into a tire hooking up in snowy conditions though.. Like one poster said, weight compared to drive wheels, width of driven wheels.. It could still be a very good tire but the combination just doesn't work..

I'm 180 degrees opposite with you.

I had it on my E430 some years ago, it was terrible on highway speed north of 75-80 MPH after only few thousands miles. On wet surface it could not track straight north of 70 MPH.

The second tier tires such as Falken, Kumho ... were stable north of 100 MPH on dry and 80-85 MPH on wet.

I wouldn't have DWS on any of my cars even if it is totally free.


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Re: New Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 My guess [Re: edyvw] #3750687 06/05/15 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: krzyss
WR G3 sports snowflake/mountain logo on its sidewall unlike DWS.
It is meant to be better in winter.

Krzys

Nokian WR G3 is DEDICATED winter tire! Comparing DWS with WR G3 is like comparing apples and oranges, maybe even worse.


Apples to Oranges?

Nokian refers to the WRG3 as an "All Weather" tire
http://www.nokiantires.com/summer-tires/nokian-wrg3/

Continental refers to the DWS06 as "All Season" In North America when I think All-Season that includes SNOW/ICE!


http://www.continentaltire.com/product/extremecontact-dws06-19550zr16-84w


It's clear that Nokian is the over achiever Snow/Ice wise having that little snowflake applied means something I guess.

Nokian makes 4 other tires for Snow/Ice duty Hakkapelitta R2 & studded or studdable Hakka 7 & 8. also the "economy" Nordman 5. BTW the Hakka 7 is available unstudded for those not wanting or allowed studs. They're cheaper than the R2. I've talked to long time Nokian dealers & Nokian tech support who have all told me that the R2 is superior to the unstudded Hakka 7 in almost all conditions except perhaps deep snow.
My guess is the DWS06 will give slightly better handling than WRG3 in dry/rain conditions but fall way short in Snow/Ice!
For handling the best handling snow tire out there is Vredestein Extreme Contact but not even close to Hakka R2 in slippery stuff. BTW I've run all sorts of AS/Snows in 45 yrs 40-45K annually in snow belt & nothing comes close to Nokians in the area of hydro-planing resistance which ,to me, is one of the most critical areas of tire performance! Rant Off! YMMV

Re: New Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 [Re: HTSS_TR] #3750867 06/05/15 10:03 AM
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I loved my previous DWSs. When it comes time to get another set of All-seasons, I'll be considering these as well.

I thought the previous gen handled phenominally in the snow for an all season tire. There are a lot of factors that go into a tire hooking up in snowy conditions though.. Like one poster said, weight compared to drive wheels, width of driven wheels.. It could still be a very good tire but the combination just doesn't work..

I'm 180 degrees opposite with you.

I had it on my E430 some years ago, it was terrible on highway speed north of 75-80 MPH after only few thousands miles. On wet surface it could not track straight north of 70 MPH.

The second tier tires such as Falken, Kumho ... were stable north of 100 MPH on dry and 80-85 MPH on wet.

I wouldn't have DWS on any of my cars even if it is totally free.


Well.. I guess I should have stated that I only had the car for about 5000 miles after I put them on.

Maybe they would have went to junk after that but they felt fantastic to me. I was also coming from a set of Yokohama/General mix. The person before me was one of those people.. I also never really pushed the tires. I'm not too agressive of a driver. There was the occasional 0-100 jaunt but I never cornered very hard or maintained 100mph.


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Re: New Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 My guess [Re: stuffinder] #3752146 06/06/15 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: krzyss
WR G3 sports snowflake/mountain logo on its sidewall unlike DWS.
It is meant to be better in winter.

Krzys

Nokian WR G3 is DEDICATED winter tire! Comparing DWS with WR G3 is like comparing apples and oranges, maybe even worse.


Apples to Oranges?

Nokian refers to the WRG3 as an "All Weather" tire
http://www.nokiantires.com/summer-tires/nokian-wrg3/

Continental refers to the DWS06 as "All Season" In North America when I think All-Season that includes SNOW/ICE!


http://www.continentaltire.com/product/extremecontact-dws06-19550zr16-84w


It's clear that Nokian is the over achiever Snow/Ice wise having that little snowflake applied means something I guess.

Nokian makes 4 other tires for Snow/Ice duty Hakkapelitta R2 & studded or studdable Hakka 7 & 8. also the "economy" Nordman 5. BTW the Hakka 7 is available unstudded for those not wanting or allowed studs. They're cheaper than the R2. I've talked to long time Nokian dealers & Nokian tech support who have all told me that the R2 is superior to the unstudded Hakka 7 in almost all conditions except perhaps deep snow.
My guess is the DWS06 will give slightly better handling than WRG3 in dry/rain conditions but fall way short in Snow/Ice!
For handling the best handling snow tire out there is Vredestein Extreme Contact but not even close to Hakka R2 in slippery stuff. BTW I've run all sorts of AS/Snows in 45 yrs 40-45K annually in snow belt & nothing comes close to Nokians in the area of hydro-planing resistance which ,to me, is one of the most critical areas of tire performance! Rant Off! YMMV

Nokian can claim whatever they want, their tire has snow flake on the sidewall, which indicates dedicated snow tire.
This is typical [censored] by manufacturers. The tread design clearly indicates that tire is made first of all for winter driving. Of course, you can use them on 140 degrees weather. Question is with what kind of performance and how long they would last.
My brother had them on 525xd (E60). Nothing special, there are much better winter tires. They cannot go against best Continental winter tires such as TS 850, which is unfortunately not available on NA market.

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Re: New Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 My guess [Re: edyvw] #3752567 06/07/15 08:18 AM
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Nokian can claim whatever they want, their tire has snow flake on the sidewall, which indicates dedicated snow tire. This is typical [censored] by manufacturers. The tread design clearly indicates that tire is made first of all for winter driving.


The snowflake symbol is the result of a performance-based test. It is not indicative of any type of construction, wear level, tread design, temperature limit, or any manufacturer marketing. There is nothing preventing any tire from wearing the snowflake except for it's actual performance in the snow:

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In order to meet this standard, tires must be tested using an American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) testing procedure described in “RMA Definition for Passenger and Light Truck Tires for use in Severe Snow Conditions”. Tires designed for use in severe snow conditions are recognized by manufacturers to attain a traction index equal to or greater than 110 compared to the ASTM E-1136 Standard Reference Test Tire when using the ASTM F-1805 snow traction test with equivalent percentage loads.


Snowflake does not equal dedicated winter tire. There are many tires out there that aren't winter tires that wear the snowflake. Three that I have personally owned:

BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO
Dunlop Radial Rover RVXT
Goodyear Fortera TripleTread

Are some tires better than other when it comes to snow? Of course. The snowflake indicates that a tire has passed a test that indicates it performance better in the snow than a tire that didn't. It's like passing the bar to become a lawyer. Some lawyers are better than others, but they've all passed the bar and any lawyer that's passed the bar is probably a better choice than having your yokel brother-in-law represent you at trial.

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