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Akebono ProACT vs. Raybestos Element3 EHT Pads (pics) #3734820 05/19/15 04:25 AM
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Out of curiosity, I ordered two sets of front pads for a 2005 Infiniti G35 RWD Sedan. The FMSI number for this application is 888.

I received a set of Raybestos Element3 EHT pads and a set of Akebono's ProACT Pads.

The Raybestos pads run $45 and are a mix of semi-metallic and NAO ceramic materials. The Akebono pads are a NAO ceramic material and were $60. The Raybestos pads use multi-layer steel shims and also include a decent hardware kit; the Akebono pads use a coated steel shim (coating is generally scratched up when it arrives) and does not include hardware.

Shown below are some pictures that I took of the two pads. There are some very obvious (and significant) differences in the pad design from these two suppliers.

1) Top pad - Akebono, Bottom Pad - Raybestos. Take a look at the size difference between the two pads...it appears that the Akebono's friction material covers a shorter portion of the backing plate.

Untitled by Michael Wan, on Flickr

2) Different in friction rating. While this doesn't tell the whole story, it is certainly something to consider.

Untitled by Michael Wan, on Flickr

3) Pad Materials - we already know that they're a bit different. Akebono is the one on top, Raybestos is below it.

Untitled by Michael Wan, on Flickr

4) Chamfers and pad shape - Akebono has a much more "aggressive" chamfer, but fewer slots (1 vs 2) and a different pad shape. Raybestos has a smaller chamfer (maybe more noisy?), two wide slots and a pad shape that seems to be purposely different.

Untitled by Michael Wan, on Flickr

Untitled by Michael Wan, on Flickr

5) Pad Boxes

Untitled by Michael Wan, on Flickr

Based on these initial pictures, which pads would you be more inclined to use?

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Re: Akebono ProACT vs. Raybestos Element3 EHT Pads (pics) [Re: The Critic] #3734827 05/19/15 04:39 AM
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I'd pick the Raybestos even though I'm a big fan of the Akebono and have them on both my vehicles.

Re: Akebono ProACT vs. Raybestos Element3 EHT Pads (pics) [Re: The Critic] #3734829 05/19/15 04:43 AM
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Raybestos. The other one looks like a dodgy mechanic has already taken to it with a file to stop brake noise!


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Re: Akebono ProACT vs. Raybestos Element3 EHT Pads (pics) [Re: The Critic] #3734830 05/19/15 04:44 AM
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Great pics by the way smile


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Re: Akebono ProACT vs. Raybestos Element3 EHT Pads (pics) [Re: The Critic] #3734834 05/19/15 04:56 AM
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Maybe that's why(having less friction material), the Akebono ProACT that I first installed on our '01 RX300(as it's first pad replacement from OE), only lasted 1/2 the time of any other pad that I have used since, and including the OE Lexus pads.

The ProACT's may have been the "NICEST" pad I have ever used in terms of their luxury feel(with great bite) and were always smooth & quiet in all driving situations and with the least amount of noticeable dusting. And being driven through a variety of climate changes here in the North East as we experience all 4 seasons with some mountainous highway usage.

I have not purchased the ProACT's since this 1st pad replacement as this was my first experience with ceramic and have found other brands of ceramic pad to perform similarly for le$$ money that last longer too! There are many other brands of ceramic pads that have a darker dusting on the aluminum wheels though, none of them have damaged the wheels(impregnated into the aluminum). One of the many high points of ceramic friction material, IMHO!

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Re: Akebono ProACT vs. Raybestos Element3 EHT Pads (pics) [Re: The Critic] #3734839 05/19/15 05:13 AM
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The Raybestos seem to be a new product and you might be the first to beta test the product.

Re: Akebono ProACT vs. Raybestos Element3 EHT Pads (pics) [Re: The Critic] #3734841 05/19/15 05:14 AM
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In addition:

Less friction material on the rotors to start off with means, more brake pedal pressure, causing faster pad wear. Although I never noticed as the stopping power of the ProACT's is very good!


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Re: Akebono ProACT vs. Raybestos Element3 EHT Pads (pics) [Re: The Critic] #3734863 05/19/15 05:53 AM
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Critic: Where did you get the Akebonos from, and which pads? At least according to my supplier up here, there are two versions of Akebono ProACT pads (at least for some applications, including my G37 trim level) some with hardware, and some without. What was the nature of the part number? Was it ACT followed by four or five digits or something like that?


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Re: Akebono ProACT vs. Raybestos Element3 EHT Pads (pics) [Re: The Critic] #3734867 05/19/15 06:10 AM
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Great pics.

So far I have been impressed with all of Raybestos' top line products


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Re: Akebono ProACT vs. Raybestos Element3 EHT Pads (pics) [Re: The Critic] #3734886 05/19/15 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
...which pads would you be more inclined to use?


I would be most inclined to use the ones most closely resembling the OE pads. (actually, I would be most inclined to use OE pads) Failing the ability to compare and constrained to these two I would use the ProAct because I suspect with the pad chamfers they will have the lowest noise and remain that way until they hit the wear indicators.


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Re: Akebono ProACT vs. Raybestos Element3 EHT Pads (pics) [Re: The Critic] #3734890 05/19/15 06:59 AM
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No one ever has anything bad to say about putting Akebonos on an import vehicle. Ever.

Yet, because we see a slightly larger pad surface area on the Raybestos pads, several people automatically say, "Raybestos" is better.

There is no evidence that the larger pad size is even needed. If you read reviews about Akebono pads, include the two people who have used them in this thread, they all RAVE about how much bite the pads have and how great they feel.

I'd use a pad HALF the size of the Akebono if 99% of reviewers said it outperformed them.

I don't even have any Akebono pads on my vehicles, but I bet these pads will go on my Honda and Subaru soon. Not because of pics that cause us to "jump to conclusions" about which is better, but because of real life experiences and reviews. Besides, I think that chamfer is IMPORTANT to lifetime quiet brakes.

It's NOT that much different than us BITOG'ers looking at VOA's and claiming which oil is better than which. "Valvoline is so blah and weak compared to Redline"....for example.

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Re: Akebono ProACT vs. Raybestos Element3 EHT Pads (pics) [Re: Phishin] #3734905 05/19/15 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted By: Phishin
No one ever has anything bad to say about putting Akebonos on an import vehicle. Ever.

Yet, because we see a slightly larger pad surface area on the Raybestos pads, several people automatically say, "Raybestos" is better.

There is no evidence that the larger pad size is even needed. If you read reviews about Akebono pads, include the two people who have used them in this thread, they all RAVE about how much bite the pads have and how great they feel.

I'd use a pad HALF the size of the Akebono if 99% of reviewers said it outperformed them.

I don't even have any Akebono pads on my vehicles, but I bet these pads will go on my Honda and Subaru soon. Not because of pics that cause us to "jump to conclusions" about which is better, but because of real life experiences and reviews. Besides, I think that chamfer is IMPORTANT to lifetime quiet brakes.

It's NOT that much different than us BITOG'ers looking at VOA's and claiming which oil is better than which. "Valvoline is so blah and weak compared to Redline"....for example.


+1. I have used Akebono ProAct on several vehicles and they all perform flawlessly.

Re: Akebono ProACT vs. Raybestos Element3 EHT Pads (pics) [Re: artbuc] #3734913 05/19/15 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted By: artbuc
Originally Posted By: Phishin
No one ever has anything bad to say about putting Akebonos on an import vehicle. Ever.

Yet, because we see a slightly larger pad surface area on the Raybestos pads, several people automatically say, "Raybestos" is better.

There is no evidence that the larger pad size is even needed. If you read reviews about Akebono pads, include the two people who have used them in this thread, they all RAVE about how much bite the pads have and how great they feel.

I'd use a pad HALF the size of the Akebono if 99% of reviewers said it outperformed them.

I don't even have any Akebono pads on my vehicles, but I bet these pads will go on my Honda and Subaru soon. Not because of pics that cause us to "jump to conclusions" about which is better, but because of real life experiences and reviews. Besides, I think that chamfer is IMPORTANT to lifetime quiet brakes.

It's NOT that much different than us BITOG'ers looking at VOA's and claiming which oil is better than which. "Valvoline is so blah and weak compared to Redline"....for example.


+1. I have used Akebono ProAct on several vehicles and they all perform flawlessly.


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I'm sure the EHT's are a good pad, personal experience over several years and thousands of miles with the Akebono's yield zero complaints with life/performance.


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Re: Akebono ProACT vs. Raybestos Element3 EHT Pads (pics) [Re: The Critic] #3734920 05/19/15 07:40 AM
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No complains with the Akebono's on my Accord.


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Re: Akebono ProACT vs. Raybestos Element3 EHT Pads (pics) [Re: Phishin] #3734926 05/19/15 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted By: Phishin
No one ever has anything bad to say about putting Akebonos on an import vehicle. Ever.

Yet, because we see a slightly larger pad surface area on the Raybestos pads, several people automatically say, "Raybestos" is better.

There is no evidence that the larger pad size is even needed. If you read reviews about Akebono pads, include the two people who have used them in this thread, they all RAVE about how much bite the pads have and how great they feel.

I'd use a pad HALF the size of the Akebono if 99% of reviewers said it outperformed them.

I don't even have any Akebono pads on my vehicles, but I bet these pads will go on my Honda and Subaru soon. Not because of pics that cause us to "jump to conclusions" about which is better, but because of real life experiences and reviews. Besides, I think that chamfer is IMPORTANT to lifetime quiet brakes.

It's NOT that much different than us BITOG'ers looking at VOA's and claiming which oil is better than which. "Valvoline is so blah and weak compared to Redline"....for example.


No one said the Akebono is bad but look at it for it is, the Raybestos has a GG rating vs the Akebono's FF, more pad material which is not a bad thing.
Take the names off and pick one. I would choose the Raybestos based just on those two things alone. Both parts have a good name, so its not like one is a known quality and the other a cheap no name where you trust the rating.

As far as no evidence a larger pad is ever needed i don't understand what your talking about. The more pad you have the more stopping power all other things being equal, i don't think there is a debate about that.
Akabono is okay but its certainly not the be all and end all, its just another quality pad amongst many.


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