Brand new VW 2.0T- Castrol 0w40 ok?

[edyvw]

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Any reason for this beyond the lack of MB229.5?

Used this in Passat 1.8T, after 4000 miles lifter knocking is horrible. With Castrol 0W30 (GC) that never happened.
When I got CC with 2.0T with 28K, dealer put new 5W40 Castrol. Every 1000 miles it would burn like half a quart. Engine was sluggish (compare to when I put later 0W30).
I have now 80K on CC, it never burned drop of oil except when dealer put Castrol 5W40.
I think you could find better cooking oil than that Castrol.
Now I use M1 0W40 bcs Castrol is changing all them time some stuff, and considering how they are trying to sell you substandard product as something that is best after sliced bread, without providing any meaningful number so you can see what is inside, I just gave up on them completely.

 

[Jeffs2006EvoIX]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: edyvw
But if Redline recommends that oil for various Euro cars, than there is no reason to get approval.

Will Redline give you a new engine if yours happens to fail in an unlikely event that their oil was to blame?




No They Wont QP I actually asked.


Jeff

 

[Jeffs2006EvoIX]

Interesting Subject that only us car guys would bring up. haha.

I have read most of the posts, but not all so if I am redundant forgive me.

Firstly, I drive a 2013 GTI with a 2.0T and its a great engine. Though, I do question VW's reliabilty. Though I have not had any "Mechanical Failures" I have had 3 water pumps replaced, valve cover leaked, crank angle sensor leaked and the Factory Supplied Dunlap Tires split open and all this in 2 yrs and 23K miles. Haha.

Now, back to the oil.

Most important as many members have said is to use an oil with the correct Approval. Dont worry much about brand or what looks good in a Car Rag you just read. What it all comes down to is this. Does it have VW approval or not? Now if your out of warranty or you have some mean Monster Turbo and your car went out of warranty the first week you bought your car, yeah you may not care. With my above listed issues? My WARRANTY IS NEEDED. So just keep in mind that VW's have allot of petty stupid little failures. Additionally, These "Stupid Little Failures" COST BIG MONEY TO REPAIR. So why risk your Warranty over something so simple as oil?

I have had good luck with M1 0w40, I can buy it anywhere, it carries the VW approval, and it works. I mean good enough for a Porsche 911 Turbo, or a Nissan GTR, good enough for my 200hp GTI.

Redline. What can I say about them. Allot. What I CAN say is I used RL 5w30 for over 5 yrs in my Evo 9 that was tracked almost every weekend, if it wasnt on the track, then it was on they dyno, this car was USED, not ABUSED, Just USED. I just loved the RL. Engine was kept very clean, I mean I would take the engine apart to upgrade OEM parts and stuff was like brand new looking. The Turbo journals were perfect no scarring or anything after 50k miles and running 26psi of boost most of the time.

Does this mean Redline is best for my GTI? I am not sure. On Paper Their Oil they recommend isn't much greater than the M1 0w40 I can buy at the store nearby for half the cost. So that must mean their Oil is twice as good right? mmmm No its not. Here look at these specs.

Redline 5w30 (Recommendation by Redline for the 2.0T in the VW)


ACEA Service Class A3 B3/B4
API Service Class SN/SM/SL/CF
Viscosity Grade SAE 5W30
Vis @ 100°C, cSt 11.9
Vis @ 40°C, cSt 71
Viscosity Index 166
CCS Viscosity, Poise, @ °C 60@-30
Pour Point, °C -45
Pour Point, °F -49
NOACK Evaporation Loss,1hr @ 482°F (250°C), % 6
HTHS Vis, cP @150°C, ASTM D4741 3.7

M1 0w40 (Recommendation by M1 for same application)

Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445)
@ 40ºC
75
@ 100ºC
13.5
Viscosity Index 185
MRV at -40ºC, cP (ASTM D4684)
31,000
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC (ASTM D4683) 3.8
Total Base Number (ASTM D2896)
11.8
Sulfated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874)
1.3
Phosphorous, wt% (ASTM D4981)
0.1
Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92)
230
Density @ 15.6ºC, g/ml (ASTM D4052)
0.85

Plus M1 has these Approvals

Mobil 1 0W-40 synthetic motor oil meets or exceeds the requirements of:
API SN, SM, SL, SJ
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
Nissan GT-R
Mobil 1 0W-40 has the following builder approvals:
MB-Approval 229.3
MB-Approval 229.5
BMW LONGLIFE OIL 01
VW 502 00/505 00
PORSCHE A40
According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 0W40 is of the following quality:
API CF
VW 503 01
SAAB
OPEL Long Life Service Fill GM-LL-A-025
OPEL Diesel Service Fill GM-LL-B-025
FIAT 9.55535 - M2
FIAT 9.55535 - N2
FIAT 9.55535 - Z2

So if you see, in this case, The M1 just makes "Sense" to use. Keep in mind the Castrol 0w40 carries many of the same approvals as the M1.

To me? Its a simple decision. MANY folks here tried telling me, and I would not listen.

Guys? I have haha.

In this particular case, I would pass on the RL. Stick with the M1 or Castrol Ow40. You just cant beat it for the money, and regardless, its just D A M N good Oil!


Jeff

 

[edyvw]

3 water pumps? You really had bad luck.

 

[Jeffs2006EvoIX]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
3 water pumps? You really had bad luck.


Check the GTI forums EDYVW its VERY COMMON. Some are on their 6th or 8th one. All I know is if another goes out? I am filing for Lemon Law.

Other than that and the other things I have listed, its been a great car. Coming from Asian Cars though to this?? Its just well.......Unacceptable

My Car had to be towed 100 miles to the nearest VW dealer 2x's to get the Water Pumps Fixed. Luckily VW picked up the bill on that. The Road side assistance is only good through 36K miles, so If I plan on keeping this car, I may have to invest in some type of Mechanical Breakdown Insurance.


Jeff

 

[Quattro Pete]

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[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: edyvw
3 water pumps? You really had bad luck.


Check the GTI forums EDYVW its VERY COMMON. Some are on their 6th or 8th one. All I know is if another goes out? I am filing for Lemon Law.

Other than that and the other things I have listed, its been a great car. Coming from Asian Cars though to this?? Its just well.......Unacceptable

My Car had to be towed 100 miles to the nearest VW dealer 2x's to get the Water Pumps Fixed. Luckily VW picked up the bill on that. The Road side assistance is only good through 36K miles, so If I plan on keeping this car, I may have to invest in some type of Mechanical Breakdown Insurance.


Jeff

IDK man. I have two cars with those engines and this is what went wrong:
1. VW CC 80K:
- Trunk did not want to open, wire broke.

2. VW Tiguan:
- MAF sensor, 400 miles after I bought the car. Was driving from VA to CA and check engine light went on at 36K while I was driving through TN. Got to San Diego, CPO covered it.
- Autohold button short circuited and needs to be replaced this Monday.
Other than that, never had any other issue.

My thinking when it comes to water pumps is, if it happens again get aftermarket HEPU pump.

That is all issues I had with these two cars.
Prior to that had Passat 1.8T 2005, had to replace wheel bearing at 42K, sold it with 107K. That was the only issue I had.

 

[Jeffs2006EvoIX]

I do know. Go to mk6 GTI forums water pump failures and it will blow your mind.

The mechanic at the dealer well both dealers actually that replaced the pumps said they do 2-3 a day on various TSI equipped cars!! [censored]??

Jeff

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
I do know. Go to mk6 GTI forums water pump failures and it will blow your mind.

The mechanic at the dealer well both dealers actually that replaced the pumps said they do 2-3 a day on various TSI equipped cars!! [censored]??

Jeff

hmmm, my car is maintained (things I cannot do) by mechanic who worked for BMW in Munich. He never mentioned water pump failures. I am thinking that might be unique to GTI to certain production dates.
Although, he said that one of the fan's can malfunction which leads to overheating. You had issues with leaks or overheating?

 

[camrydriver111]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: camrydriver111
0W30 and 0W40 gold bottle Castrol meets MB 229.5 as well as VW 502 and 505.

You guys get the 0w30 and 0w40 in gold bottles up there in Canada???


I was mistaken on the gold bottle, though all viscosities come in black and gold, but it's only some that also come in gold.

 

[Mykl]

Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
I do know. Go to mk6 GTI forums water pump failures and it will blow your mind.

The mechanic at the dealer well both dealers actually that replaced the pumps said they do 2-3 a day on various TSI equipped cars!! [censored]??

Jeff


The problem is that there's a lot of anecdotal evidence floating around about this problem, but seemingly no hard data regarding the actual failure rate.

Also, if you see this thread you'll note that a person claiming to be a tech highlights a special procedure directed by VW that, if not followed, can easily lead to premature pump failure. My theory is that this may be why some people have had repeat pump failures, while others did not; the shop they brought their car to didn't do it right the first time.

http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75491

To be honest, this is the least of my worries with this car. Compared to most other vehicles where you get to muck around with engine timing components, the water pump is located right under the intake manifold with a dedicated belt. The same guy who talked about that special procedure outlined by VW also threw in a tip for getting to the water pump without having to remove the intake manifold.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: Mykl
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
I do know. Go to mk6 GTI forums water pump failures and it will blow your mind.

The mechanic at the dealer well both dealers actually that replaced the pumps said they do 2-3 a day on various TSI equipped cars!! [censored]??

Jeff


The problem is that there's a lot of anecdotal evidence floating around about this problem, but seemingly no hard data regarding the actual failure rate.

Also, if you see this thread you'll note that a person claiming to be a tech highlights a special procedure directed by VW that, if not followed, can easily lead to premature pump failure. My theory is that this may be why some people have had repeat pump failures, while others did not; the shop they brought their car to didn't do it right the first time.

http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75491

To be honest, this is the least of my worries with this car. Compared to most other vehicles where you get to muck around with engine timing components, the water pump is located right under the intake manifold with a dedicated belt. The same guy who talked about that special procedure outlined by VW also threw in a tip for getting to the water pump without having to remove the intake manifold.

I would agree with you. I owned many VW vehicles, from VW, Audi to Skoda, and NEVER, NEVER had water pump failure. That does not mean that it cannot happen. But if it happened once, than twice, than third time, I think culprit is somewhere in the dealership.

 

[Mykl]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
I would agree with you. I owned many VW vehicles, from VW, Audi to Skoda, and NEVER, NEVER had water pump failure. That does not mean that it cannot happen. But if it happened once, than twice, than third time, I think culprit is somewhere in the dealership.


Yeah, it sucks that some people have had this issue, repeatedly. If it had happened to me I'd be mad and vocal about it as well.

But taking myself out of the anger I might feel if my car was on its third water pump, I'm not fully convinced that the reason for the repeat failures comes down to a defective design. It seems reasonable to believe that a bad install may be the issue.

In my case, I'm bearing down on 100k miles. If mine fails in the next year I'd say that I've gotten a reasonable amount of life out of the pump my car came with. Should I have to go digging for it I may as well pull the intake manifold and clean the valves while I'm in there. The only annoying part is the couple hundred bucks worth of tools I'll need to buy to do this; the injector puller, and the coolant evac kit. I suppose that in the end it'll be money well spent as I intend to keep the car for another 100k. Although, there's a local VW specialist shop that I may solicit a quote from, for the right price I may contract it all out.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: Mykl
Originally Posted By: edyvw
I would agree with you. I owned many VW vehicles, from VW, Audi to Skoda, and NEVER, NEVER had water pump failure. That does not mean that it cannot happen. But if it happened once, than twice, than third time, I think culprit is somewhere in the dealership.


Yeah, it sucks that some people have had this issue, repeatedly. If it had happened to me I'd be mad and vocal about it as well.

But taking myself out of the anger I might feel if my car was on its third water pump, I'm not fully convinced that the reason for the repeat failures comes down to a defective design. It seems reasonable to believe that a bad install may be the issue.

In my case, I'm bearing down on 100k miles. If mine fails in the next year I'd say that I've gotten a reasonable amount of life out of the pump my car came with. Should I have to go digging for it I may as well pull the intake manifold and clean the valves while I'm in there. The only annoying part is the couple hundred bucks worth of tools I'll need to buy to do this; the injector puller, and the coolant evac kit. I suppose that in the end it'll be money well spent as I intend to keep the car for another 100k. Although, there's a local VW specialist shop that I may solicit a quote from, for the right price I may contract it all out.

I personally would not go past 110k on the water pump.
Also, valve cleaning on TSI? Keep it close to redline as much as possible

 

[Mykl]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
I personally would not go past 110k on the water pump.
Also, valve cleaning on TSI? Keep it close to redline as much as possible


Yeah, my car gets a "valve cleaning" in the Texas Hill Country about every 10k miles or so. The last one was on some choice back-roads through the Ozarks in Arkansas. I feel that a track day's worth of upper RPM, open throttle exercise should get enough heat in the valves to keep the carbon at bay.

As far as a traditional cleaning, I guess it's one of those "while we're in there..." things. If I take the intake manifold off I may as well make it pretty.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: Mykl
Originally Posted By: edyvw
I personally would not go past 110k on the water pump.
Also, valve cleaning on TSI? Keep it close to redline as much as possible


Yeah, my car gets a "valve cleaning" in the Texas Hill Country about every 10k miles or so. The last one was on some choice back-roads through the Ozarks in Arkansas. I feel that a track day's worth of upper RPM, open throttle exercise should get enough heat in the valves to keep the carbon at bay.

As far as a traditional cleaning, I guess it's one of those "while we're in there..." things. If I take the intake manifold off I may as well make it pretty.

I drive to Colorado mountains twice a week for 250-270 miles on back roads, always in manual mode, rarely below 4000 rpms

 

[Jeffs2006EvoIX]

Originally Posted By: Mykl
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
I do know. Go to mk6 GTI forums water pump failures and it will blow your mind.

The mechanic at the dealer well both dealers actually that replaced the pumps said they do 2-3 a day on various TSI equipped cars!! [censored]??

Jeff


The problem is that there's a lot of anecdotal evidence floating around about this problem, but seemingly no hard data regarding the actual failure rate.

Also, if you see this thread you'll note that a person claiming to be a tech highlights a special procedure directed by VW that, if not followed, can easily lead to premature pump failure. My theory is that this may be why some people have had repeat pump failures, while others did not; the shop they brought their car to didn't do it right the first time.

http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75491

To be honest, this is the least of my worries with this car. Compared to most other vehicles where you get to muck around with engine timing components, the water pump is located right under the intake manifold with a dedicated belt. The same guy who talked about that special procedure outlined by VW also threw in a tip for getting to the water pump without having to remove the intake manifold.


I understand what your saying, but that doesn't explain why the one that was installed by VW in Wolfsburg failed at 12k miles? mmmmm

It is a huge problem, the GTI forums all over comment on it. Many have gotten Lemon Law over it. The problem isn't that the pump "Fails" but the Seal fails. VW keeps updating the seal, they have had over 3 variations in a couple of years to remedy the problem, but no such luck.

Now, if VW technicians are not putting in the Water Pumps Correctly? Well that isn't on me, that is on VW. All I know is if another one fails on me? I am getting a lawyer. Total [censored]. My Co Worker at work, on his GTI 2012 Autobahn he hasn't had any Water Pump failures, but has had 2 High Flow Fuel Pumps Fail. I have had no problem with my HFFP as of yet (Knock on Wood).

Here is just one thread posted by APR which is a VW Performance part Supplier and Tuner.
TSI Water Pump Failurs

Here is something by a VW Tech named Charles, very cool guy, he goes into it briefly as well, and says about technician error as well, but again, that is not my fault but VW's.




Its an Issue. When you attach something plastic to something cast iron and with the heat transfer difference? Its kinda common sense that it could fail. VW has some of the best engineers I am sure, but if mine fails again, they lost me as a customer.


Jeff

 

[edyvw]

Plastic WP is issue in VW sine Passat B5 (mid 90's).
That is why I said: Get HEPU aftermarket pump.

 

[Mykl]

I appreciate that you can articulate why the waterpump may be flawed. But out of the hundreds of thousands of vehicles that have this engine, what's the actual failure rate?

You can point to a car whose pump failed at 12k miles, and I can point to my pump that has 88k miles and is still going strong.

Neither of us have proved amything other than what we already know..... that water pumps fail on these cars, like they do on any other car.

There's a lot of complaints about waterpumps failing in Camrys too, and it's a freakin' Camry.

If I were you I'd have already swore off the brand. But still, no matter what you get it's likely to be capable of sending you to the shop over a seemingly mundane part that you'd think the engineers would have mastered by now.

 

[Mykl]

^ I want to be sure something is very clear.

I'm not saying that there is not an issue with the water pumps in these cars.

If I were you, I'd be as angry and frustrated as you probably are.

I'm just saying that objectively, I would really like to be able to see what the actual failure rate is for these things, so I can know if they really do break faster than the average car.