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Re: Nokian Hakka R2 winter tires [Re: dailydriver] #3570123 12/19/14 12:03 AM
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I've been running Nokians for over 20 years. The best prices I've been able to find have been from a local shop that just opened. The young man that started it has been in the business for years and went out on his own. He said he'd match any price on Nokians and did. This was before the "Season" and we had to wait until early Nov for 225/55x16 R2's to arrive "off the boat"! They're installed & phenomenal in snow!


Do you mind mentioning the price (NOT the actual shop) you paid for these, as that is the EXACT size I would need if buying R2s (so I have a 'base line' price for next year's winter)??


http://www.tiresbyweb.com/tbw_tiresearch...=NOKIAN%20TIRES

$176 each (plus shipping of course).

though, my local mechanic beats tiresbyweb.com prices .... for 235/45r17 WR G3, they charge $218, and my mechanic got me them for $175 each (plus tax and install)


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Re: Nokian Hakka R2 winter tires [Re: UG_Passat] #3571839 12/20/14 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: stuffinder
I've been running Nokians for over 20 years. The best prices I've been able to find have been from a local shop that just opened. The young man that started it has been in the business for years and went out on his own. He said he'd match any price on Nokians and did. This was before the "Season" and we had to wait until early Nov for 225/55x16 R2's to arrive "off the boat"! They're installed & phenomenal in snow!


Do you mind mentioning the price (NOT the actual shop) you paid for these, as that is the EXACT size I would need if buying R2s (so I have a 'base line' price for next year's winter)??


http://www.tiresbyweb.com/tbw_tiresearch...=NOKIAN%20TIRES

$176 each (plus shipping of course).

though, my local mechanic beats tiresbyweb.com prices .... for 235/45r17 WR G3, they charge $218, and my mechanic got me them for $175 each (plus tax and install)


THANKS thumbsup

But I was asking for the price at his local shop, mainly to see IF they could beat the web/mail order houses' prices, like his (and yours) actually did. wink


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Re: Nokian Hakka R2 winter tires [Re: dparm] #3580818 12/29/14 08:34 AM
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Sorry for the delay! I just looked up the receipt for the 225/65x16 Hakka R2's. I paid $151 ea plus Tax & Install. Since then my tire guy has gotten direct distribution from Nokian warehouse so they may be even cheaper! Discount tire Direct was blowing out Nokian's at amazing prices for awhile but have few remaining sizes.

Re: Nokian Hakka R2 winter tires [Re: dailydriver] #3580920 12/29/14 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: stuffinder
I've been running Nokians for over 20 years. The best prices I've been able to find have been from a local shop that just opened. The young man that started it has been in the business for years and went out on his own. He said he'd match any price on Nokians and did. This was before the "Season" and we had to wait until early Nov for 225/55x16 R2's to arrive "off the boat"! They're installed & phenomenal in snow!


Do you mind mentioning the price (NOT the actual shop) you paid for these, as that is the EXACT size I would need if buying R2s (so I have a 'base line' price for next year's winter)??


http://www.tiresbyweb.com/tbw_tiresearch...=NOKIAN%20TIRES

$176 each (plus shipping of course).

though, my local mechanic beats tiresbyweb.com prices .... for 235/45r17 WR G3, they charge $218, and my mechanic got me them for $175 each (plus tax and install)


THANKS thumbsup

But I was asking for the price at his local shop, mainly to see IF they could beat the web/mail order houses' prices, like his (and yours) actually did. wink


but, when you ask your local shop to try to match it.... the shop would probably just tell you drive to upstate NY instead....

and... upstate NY is usually defined as places starting about an hour north of Albany, it's quite a hike from Buck's Co, PA (unless you're from NYC, then upstate NY is anything above Manhattan)


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Re: Nokian Hakka R2 winter tires [Re: UG_Passat] #3581361 12/29/14 07:03 PM
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and... upstate NY is usually defined as places starting about an hour north of Albany


Yes, agreed, and what I always thought as well (although I consider Albany far north enough to be labelled "upstate").

But when I lived in Union Co. (N.J. suburbs of Manhattan), most referred to even Westchester Co. as "upstate NY" (as you have stated). LOL


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Re: Nokian Hakka R2 winter tires [Re: dailydriver] #3589371 01/05/15 06:56 PM
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When people speak of Upstate NY I'm always amused by the varying definitions. For years most denizens of NYC referred to anything north of the Tappan Zee bridge or in AC 914 as upstate.I'm located 25 mi ESE of Syracuse and the tiny hamlet of Pratts Hollow is about 5 miles away. It is the Exact Geographical center of NYS so technically I'm from Central NY!
I guess io really be considered Upstate you'd have to be from Saratoga north to Plattsburgh! BTW Just installed a set on Nokian WRg3's on an AUDI 2007 A6 Avant (245/45 x 17) I just bought last week. Be interesting to see how they compare to the 225/55x16 R2's on our '06 A6 Avant. I wanted the best snow I could find for the miserable secondary roads on the edge of the snowbelt for the car my wife and daughter are using most of the time. I'll use the WRG3 car for long trips & highway use, we'll see if these WRG3's are as good as Nokian's advertising says they are!

Re: Nokian Hakka R2 winter tires [Re: dparm] #3589437 01/05/15 08:01 PM
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^^^Yes, please let us know, as IF I can ever find a 17" wheel narrow enough (that fits on my car; offset/bolt pattern), that is the size I would have to use as well.

This would be in anticipation of needing 17s to clear bigger calipers/rotors. wink


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Re: Nokian Hakka R2 winter tires vs WRG3 [Re: dailydriver] #3590182 01/06/15 01:51 PM
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Well my first impressions of 245/45x17 WRG3's are good compared to the 245/40x18 ContiPro Contacts. Seem just as smooth & quiet. Perhaps a little bit looser in dry handling. On snow covered back roads they're far superior to the Contis which were downright scary! The Contis exxercised the ABS & ESP (Electronic Stability Control) way more than I was comfortable with! I would say the WRG3's is as good as almost any snow tire out there but not nearly as good as the Hakka R2 in snow & ice. Of course I went down a size width wise over stock w/the Hakka R2's being 225/55x16 vs WRG3's 245/45x17 giving a smaller contact patch for better traction in the slippery stuff. The tradeoff is of course worse dry/wet handling, somewhat squirmier! Still the R2's are a better dry/wet handling snow tire that anything I know of except the Vredestein Extreme Contact. But the Vred doesn't have the superb stopping power on ice/snow that the R2 has. Snow Tire Rant OFF!

BTW The R2's feel a lot tighter than any Blizzak or Gislaved I've ever tried plus their stopping power in snow or ice is amazing!

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Of course I went down a size width wise over stock w/the Hakka R2's being 225/55x16 vs WRG3's 245/45x17 giving a smaller contact patch for better traction in the slippery stuff.


It's actually the opposite. Wider tyre grips better on ice, but sligthly worse on snow. (205/55R16 vs. 225/55R16 R2 test on Tuulilasi -magizine). Obiviously thinner tyre resists slush planing more though, I think difference can be huge especially on worn tyres.

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Re: Nokian Hakka R2 winter tires vs WRG3 [Re: dparm] #3590829 01/06/15 11:27 PM
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Narrower tires will be better in loose snow and slush, wider tires will be better on packed snow and ice.


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Re: Nokian Hakka R2 winter tires vs WRG3 [Re: dparm] #3591007 01/07/15 07:34 AM
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Thank You both for straightening me out! Slush & Hydro-planing are the two conditions I fear most so I'm happier with the slightly narrower than stock tire for Winter use. I guess the R2 with whatever "secret" particles are embedded in the tread result in the greatly increased stopping power on ice. The braking is definitely better in ice/snow w/225 R2's over 245 WRG3's. I drove both on the same roads yesterday within a couple of hours! 2006 & 2007 AUDI A6 Avants.

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Thanks stuffinder, for the review. thumbsup


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Re: Nokian Hakka R2 winter tires [Re: stuffinder] #3592838 01/08/15 02:54 PM
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When people speak of Upstate NY I'm always amused by the varying definitions. For years most denizens of NYC referred to anything north of the Tappan Zee bridge or in AC 914 as upstate.I'm located 25 mi ESE of Syracuse and the tiny hamlet of Pratts Hollow is about 5 miles away. It is the Exact Geographical center of NYS so technically I'm from Central NY!
I guess io really be considered Upstate you'd have to be from Saratoga north to Plattsburgh! BTW Just installed a set on Nokian WRg3's on an AUDI 2007 A6 Avant (245/45 x 17) I just bought last week. Be interesting to see how they compare to the 225/55x16 R2's on our '06 A6 Avant. I wanted the best snow I could find for the miserable secondary roads on the edge of the snowbelt for the car my wife and daughter are using most of the time. I'll use the WRG3 car for long trips & highway use, we'll see if these WRG3's are as good as Nokian's advertising says they are!



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Re: Nokian Hakka R2 winter tires [Re: Miller88] #3672366 03/21/15 02:19 AM
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Everybody still happy with the R2's as season approaches end (as we just got 5" on Long Island)?

The Sonata (215-60-16) needs new winter shoes for next year. I have the Conti EWC on spare rims and started the season at 7/32" front are now between 5-6/32" rears at 6/32. The last snow and this one definitely noticeable that it's time. Sonata see's 50 miles/day mostly highway at 70-75 with traffic (off hours). I really liked the EWC because I could cross rotate to even the wear. Not showing available (maybe next year) but I saw the posts about them changing to directional. They were extremely quiet and handled really well for a snow which was great. They were much better winter than mt WRG2's were previously. Costco has the WS80's with sales normally, Xi3 also available there. They won't even fix flats if they didn't sell them (even if you have a NEW car and get a flat) which annoys me (BJ's charges to fix but that's fine at least they do it).

Getting harder to find places locally to install / change over the mail order tires.

Sequoia has new Altimax Arctic through Mavis Tire, they beat the tirebuyer.com price installed through their "beat it" price thing on web site. It was about $380 installed for 265-70-16. Old set lasted many winters and were always great. Truck is ski vehicle and local DD for wife. If REALLY snowy she stays home (works in schools) so I can take Sequoia but still prefer the Sonata for most times.

Like everybody else torn between the R2, Xi3, WS80, Altimax or new version of EWC if available then. Maybe even catch a season end sale on one of the versions. Thoughts from the crowd?

My speedo with the 215-60-16 worn snows is also off by 3-4mph. Thought about going to 205-65-16 for winter to get that closer, which would also be a bit narrower.

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Re: Nokian Hakka R2 winter tires [Re: Sequoiasoon] #3672899 03/21/15 01:35 PM
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Everybody still happy with the R2's as season approaches end (as we just got 5" on Long Island)?

The Sonata (215-60-16) needs new winter shoes for next year.

In that size, the Altimax Arctic is a really great winter tire, IMO. I have them in that size on my 530i, and I would not bother paying a huge premium for the Hakka R2.


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