Oil Pan Gasket Maker

[The_Eric]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Not to go OT, but I just can't see a good reason to not have a purpose specific gasket to do the job. Honda really doesn't use them?

I get it that a shop can't stock every last gasket, and sometimes needs to make one... But it seems to me that if you have time to prepare and get one, it's by far the easiest approach.

Or see they just that much harder to clean off or something?


Many auto makers don't use pan gaskets. Honda, Hyundai, Nissan, Toyota, BMW and so on have all used or still use an RTV for the pan on certain applications. Really, I prefer to use RTV, as I feel it does a better job when properly applied.

 

[kschachn]

My old Toyotas don't use a gasket for the oil pans, nor for various other seals. And after 15 years the Toyota FIPG is not leaking, which may be a good choice for the Honda too.

My BMW has a couple of applications where there used to be a BMW gasket but not any more, now they want you to use a sealant. Aftermarket places like Reinz sell one but BMW does not.

Originally Posted By: The_Eric
Many auto makers don't use pan gaskets. Honda, Hyundai, Nissan, Toyota, BMW and so on have all used or still use an RTV for the pan on certain applications. Really, I prefer to use RTV, as I feel it does a better job when properly applied.

 

[kschachn]

Sorry, disregard this post. I thought you were asking about letting it set before installation.

The book or the sealant container should have information about how long to wait before adding oil. If not, their data sheet should specify.

Originally Posted By: kschachn
You don't let it set at all. You practice getting the pan installed (and how the sealant is applied), and you get it up and mated as quickly as possible. You don't get nuts about it and make mistakes because you are hurrying either, but at the same time you don't delay. The 4 or 5 minutes they give is actually plenty of time.

Originally Posted By: mrcoolguy
How long did you let the honda bond set before pouring oil into the car?

 

[Smoky14]

I finally found the right stuff.
Ultra Flange ll Sealant PN 08718-0009

This product was made for oil pan problems with Acura pans because it takes considerable time to properly locate and place the pan and the type l sealant sets up too quickly.
YMMV
Smoky

 

[Yah-Tah-Hey]

If I was making this repair and Fel Pro offered a gasket for my vehicle, I would use it. The FIP sealants are good, but you have to get the bead size correct and that is hard to do for those who don't make mechanical repairs for a living.

 

[440Magnum]

Originally Posted By: mrcoolguy
The pan does not use a gasket but just silicone. Debating between Permatex Ultra Black and The Right Stuff.


"The Right Stuff" is correctly named. Much better than standard silicone products.

 

[DBMaster]

Question for you that have used the sealants: Do you need to use something different for a transmission pan? Mazda's Skyactiv AT uses sealant and I have not yet seen any gaskets being sold. Way back in 1993 I had the transmission serviced on an Escort wagon and the shop used silicone because they cold not get the correct gasket. It never leaked, but I was changing the fluid/filter every 30K miles at the time. A mechanic friend told that silicone sealant was not compatible with transmission fluid and that the ATF would eventually dissolve the sealant and cause leaks.

 

[Merkava_4]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Not to go OT, but I just can't see a good reason to not have a purpose specific gasket to do the job. Honda really doesn't use them?


They got robots these days on the assembly line that apply the sealant in a perfect uniform pattern and with a perfect uniform bead profile; it's unreal.

 

[mehullica]

Use the Toyota black FIPG that toyota uses on their oil pans.

 

[mrcoolguy]

thanks guys, I had a friend look at it and he said that its the oil pump o ring thats leaking so its looking like its gonna be bigger job. Might have to live with the leak. Has anyone done a job like this before?

 

[DBMaster]

It's the oil filter base gasket. It's a rubber o-ring type seal. Much easier to fix than an oil pan gasket. With the oil filter removed you can remove the bolts that hold the filter base to the engine block. As I recall, there is no need to even use sealant with that gasket.

 

[spasm3]

Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
If I was making this repair and Fel Pro offered a gasket for my vehicle, I would use it. The FIP sealants are good, but you have to get the bead size correct and that is hard to do for those who don't make mechanical repairs for a living.


I agree, as i would not be as consistant as the robot on the assembly line. My bead might be too thick in areas and ooze out where i don't want it. I would only use a sealant gasket maker if there was not a gasket available.

 

[George7941]

After I lay a bead of any sealant down I flatten it out with my finger and ensure that the sealant is evenly distributed everywhere it is supposed to be. I thought everybody did that. It sounds like some just squeeze a uniform bead out and then bolt the assembly together.

 

[artificialist]

Sometimes when a new pan gasket is offered, it is made of cork and doesn't last. Is that what Fel-Pro is offering? If it is cork, you are better off using RTV.

I never liked having to use RTV, because I would often find a Toyota 2AZ-FE with a leaking oil pan at a very low mileage. I understand that many other engines use RTV and last a long time, but having a bad experience with Clearwater Toyota's warranty department made me very angry.

 

[mrcoolguy]

Originally Posted By: DBMaster
It's the oil filter base gasket. It's a rubber o-ring type seal. Much easier to fix than an oil pan gasket. With the oil filter removed you can remove the bolts that hold the filter base to the engine block. As I recall, there is no need to even use sealant with that gasket.


I dont see it leaking from that area. Its leaking on the corner of the oil pan near the crank sensor. Can it still be the oil filter base gasket?