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audi 2.0 tfsi oil #3532639
11/08/14 04:12 AM
11/08/14 04:12 AM
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hi guys,

I am from the uk, and have an audi a4 b7 2.0 tfsi qauttro 220bhp, with 64k miles on the clock.

the owners manual says : VW 504 00/ VW 502 00/505 00/505 01

I have only had the car a couple of months, and done a service on it as soon as I got it, and plan on servicing it every 6 months, which for me is about 2.5k miles,

I put FUCHS GT1 5w40 XTL in when it was serviced, and I have done about 600 miles and have had to put just over 0.5 litre in,

now I know these engines do like to drink oil, and when searching for oils via the above specs you get various results.

my driving is mostly short journeys, and mostly driven very lightly, the odd full throttle when joining a motorway thrown in.

after googling there seems to be all sorts of info and people saying if I put x oil in it would use less oil etc etc etc,

what would you guys recommend I put in, shall I just stick to the oil I am using, or shall I go for a high quality fully syn 5w30, what brand do people recommend?

it really is a minefield for these engines.

I would also like to give the engine a flush out, as in the past the engine has been on a long service plan, and I am unsure what oil was used in it previous life before I owned it, and when looking through the oil filler hole, I can see the engine is mostly golden in colour,

do you guys recommend doing an engine flush?

also to add, the car is always run on Tesco momentum 99ron fuel, occasionally when I get caught short it is run on BP ultimate 97ron.

Last edited by sx_turbo; 11/08/14 04:20 AM.
Re: audi 2.0 tfsi oil [Re: sx_turbo] #3532643
11/08/14 04:50 AM
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Since it's a tfsi and properly relatively new I would say vw 504/507.
If you want something thicker than 5w30, you might consider using MB 229.5x - those are available in several grades and the add-pack are very close to the vw 504/507


1993 Audi S4 2.2 20V Turbo - German Castrol Edge FST 0W-40 - Mahle filter
Re: audi 2.0 tfsi oil [Re: sx_turbo] #3532645
11/08/14 04:59 AM
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Because it is a gasoline engine the only specifications that matter in the group the offered are the 502.00 and 504.00. The other specifications are for diesel engines.

Generally speaking, the 504.00 (the latest and greatest) is most likely also the most expensive oil to buy. I can't speak for the UK but in Germany these oils often cost in the neighborhood of 24/liter. If cost is not an object then this is the specification that I'd choose.

The oil that you're using (Fuchs GT-1 XTL) is of an older generation and meets the 502.00/505.01 specification that VW recommended up through 2007. It is an excellent product and certainly acceptable for your use.

The Fuchs oil that would meet the 504.00 rating would be Fuchs Titan GT1 LongLife III. Price it and see how it compares with the 502.00 rated oil that you're using. It will come in a viscosity grade of 5W-30 ONLY.

I recommend using the 504.00 but you won't do any harm at all if you stick with the 502.00. Choose major oil company products and be mindful of the maintenance and you should have no troubles.

Re: audi 2.0 tfsi oil [Re: FowVay] #3532651
11/08/14 05:12 AM
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You can not get an oil that is vw 504 only. It will always be an 504/507 wink


1993 Audi S4 2.2 20V Turbo - German Castrol Edge FST 0W-40 - Mahle filter
Re: audi 2.0 tfsi oil [Re: sx_turbo] #3532689
11/08/14 07:06 AM
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ok, cheers,

the car is a 2006

I can get hold of FUCHS, VALVOLINE, MOBIL, AND COMMA at cost price where I work,

what brand would you recommend? to me I see them as all pretty much the same,

I also only use mann hummell filters


just checked I can get the 504.00 in fuchs gt1 pro c3 for 19 at work, so i'll go with that at the next oil change.

Last edited by sx_turbo; 11/08/14 07:11 AM.
Re: audi 2.0 tfsi oil [Re: sx_turbo] #3532733
11/08/14 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted By: sx_turbo
I am from the uk, and have an audi a4 b7 2.0 tfsi qauttro 220bhp, with 64k miles on the clock.
the owners manual says : VW 504 00/ VW 502 00/505 00/505 01

Liqui Moly 0W40, without any doubts, number one. Mobil1 0W40, which is OK for you, but no more. I would not consider low TBN oils. Also my friends in Europe don't like Fuchs TITAN GT1 5W-40.

Originally Posted By: sx_turbo
I would also like to give the engine a flush
out, as in the past the engine has been on a long service plan, and I am unsure what oil was used in it previous life before I owned it, and when looking through the oil filler hole, I can see the engine is mostly golden in colour,

do you guys recommend doing an engine flush?

Yes, definitely. If you prefer fast flush, use Liqui Moly Engine Flush. But need to tell that I am originally from Europe too. Not to much local folks do that.


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Re: audi 2.0 tfsi oil [Re: sx_turbo] #3532768
11/08/14 09:54 AM
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How about using Shell Helix Ultra Professional AV-L 0W-30?

Re: audi 2.0 tfsi oil [Re: sx_turbo] #3532819
11/08/14 10:57 AM
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That consumption is definitely elevated, and I would not consider normal. Do you have a warranty? Have you had it looked at?

I used this for a while before switching to M1 0w40 in my 2007 S4. I had a 2007 a4 for a while and used that every change as well. Rarely added oil, although I think the engine was healthier to begin with.
http://www.amazon.com/Liqui-Moly-2041-Premium-Synthetic/dp/B005H2SHS8


CURRENT: 2016 VW Jetta Sport 1.8tfsi
PAST: 2007 Audi S4- 4.2 V8- 71,000 Mi -LiquiMoly 5w40
2007 Audi A4- 2.0T- 64,000 Mi -Castrol 5W40
Re: audi 2.0 tfsi oil [Re: sx_turbo] #3533055
11/08/14 04:02 PM
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Looking at the mileage, its used 3 qauters of a litre in 800 miles.

I've just changed the pcv valve, sobit might improve.

I've also been labouring the engine when driving it, being in to high a gear I have changed this now, so hopefully the oil consumption will improve a bit.

Re: audi 2.0 tfsi oil [Re: sx_turbo] #3533379
11/08/14 10:58 PM
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file:///C:/Users/Donny/Downloads/SynPower-5W-40_001-23c.pdf

http://www.valvolineeurope.com/english/products/engine_oils/synpower/cid(7537)/synpower_5w-40


Id use this if i had the car ^

Or M1 0w40

Last edited by donnyj08; 11/08/14 10:59 PM.

2008 Silverado Z71 LT 90k Maxlife FS 5w30
2010 Ford Escape 172k QSUD 5w20
2016 Yamaha XSR900 12k, Rotella 15w40 Yamaha Filter.
Re: audi 2.0 tfsi oil [Re: sx_turbo] #3534303
11/10/14 02:19 AM
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just out of curiosity, what if I were to put Valvoline vr1 5w50?

Re: audi 2.0 tfsi oil [Re: sx_turbo] #3534316
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Originally Posted By: sx_turbo
just out of curiosity, what if I were to put Valvoline vr1 5w50?


K mom not saying it wouldn't work however a turbo gets really hot. There are a lot of viscosity index improvers in a typical 5w-50,which is how they manage to achieve that kind of viscosity spread.
VII shear in service which then affects the oil negatively when up to operating temp,effectively thinning it,and when the oil gets pumped into that hot spinning turbo those same VII can potentially become deposits called coke.
When it comes to boosted European automobiles a 0w-40 like M1,liqui-moly and castrol are great products and have proven themselves over the years so I suggest not second guessing it.
An oil that meets the Honda turbo spec might be applicable however with such good products already available I wouldn't bother trying to search anything else out.
Unless you can get a better deal on the 5w-50. If that's the case give er,but consider shortening the interval and get a few uoa done so you can see exactly how much it sheared in service so you know when to dump it.
Just my opinion.


2006 Charger RT
Miles x 2 per oil filter
Re: audi 2.0 tfsi oil [Re: sx_turbo] #3535190
11/11/14 02:01 AM
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thanks,

sorry for all the questions, think I will try the 5w30 vw504 grade,

if I not satisfied with that, i'll try the 0w40, and see what the engine performs best with

Re: audi 2.0 tfsi oil [Re: sx_turbo] #3535858
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I would consider using Valvoline MaxLife 5W-40 in it if you can find it...

Re: audi 2.0 tfsi oil [Re: sx_turbo] #4513980
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It has been a while since i was last on here, so thought i would update the thread.

After trying the latest spec 504 Fuchs Titan Pro C3 5w-30 and the long life III 5W-30 and the engine burned through this at a substantial rate of knots, so swiftly went back to the GT1 XTL 5w-40, and the car has gone back to using it's normal amount of oil (it's close to the limit VW/AUDI put in the handbook although it has never got any worse when running it on 5w-40 XTL).

I have now covered 16k miles, and the car has an oil filter and oil every 6 months which is between 2.5 & 3k miles.

We did recently have an issue with excessive fuel in the oil, i never had lab reports done however you could really smell it when the oil filler cap was removed, so we had the high fuel pressure pump replaced along with an oil and filter change and the oil consumption has reduced. (this was done about 1500 miles ago).

I ma due to have the car serviced again in a few weeks, however i am looking at changing the oil for something else, although the Fuchs seems to be a reasonable choice, it does not seem to be cleaning the engine all that great, i never done a flush ont he engine in the end when i purchased the vehicle hoping that the reqular oil changes would clean it through, however the oil does not seem to stay clean for very long (almost goes black straight away).

I was thinking of switching to Redline 5w-40 as other seem to be really happy with that in these engines, however certainly here in the UK it's mega expensive at 15.95 per quart, for my money would i be getting any additional benefit over the Fuchs GT1 XTL i have been using?

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