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FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open #3463216
08/23/14 05:19 PM
08/23/14 05:19 PM
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HX520W Offline OP
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The WIX was installed on a 2008 Dodge grand caravan 3.8L on October 1st 2013 and was in service for 4100 miles until August 12th 2014. I have no complaints about the construction of this filter. In use however it did cause loud lifter noise on start up. (Start up noise was fixed by going back to a FRAM TG.)

The FRAM was installed on a 1997 Saturn sl1 that previously didn't have an oil change for 11k miles and didn't have a filter change for 17k (previous filter was a NAPA pro select which tore in four places). The filter was installed on April 4th 2014 and was in service for 3100 miles until August 22nd 2014. I have one possible complaint about the construction of this filter (see second to last picture). In use I'm very happy with how this filter performed. Even with how dirty the engine is it took weeks before the oil became dark enough to get a good reading on the dipstick.





Side with the seam in the media


Side opposite the seam






Maybe Motorking can explain this to me. I cut open one other TG3614 before this one and it had a metal crimp where both ends of the media meet. Was there a design change or was this filter somehow skipped during manufacturing?

^^Note all the junk between the pleats.^^

This is how much junk the FRAM captured in two pleats eek.

Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W] #3463228
08/23/14 05:47 PM
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The Wix looks like it held up well. Nice straight pleats, plenty of thick filter media and those beautiful metal end caps! grin2 As for the tough gaurd, Im not really a fan, so I couldn't comment without bias. The only Fram I would personally feel good about using would be the Ultra. Those things are built like tanks!


2006 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7 (Supertech 5w30 + OCOD)

2012 Ford Escape 3.0 (Royal Purple 0w20 + Fram Ultra)
Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: jk_636] #3463232
08/23/14 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: jk_636
The Wix looks like it held up well. Nice straight pleats, plenty of thick filter media and those beautiful metal end caps! grin2 As for the tough gaurd, Im not really a fan, so I couldn't comment without bias. The only Fram I would personally feel good about using would be the Ultra. Those things are built like tanks!


X2 wink


Ford's & Wix filter's Amsoil 5W-30 SS
2014 Wix Master Tech





Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W] #3463271
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Nothing like having the best built filter, and the cheapest looking filter, side by side.


2004 Silverado - on its 3rd Jasper engine in less than one year.
Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W] #3463277
08/23/14 07:23 PM
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The Tough Guard is superior to the Wix no matter what you might "feel" the efficiency is higher and it obviously catches more contaimination than the Wix which is a lower efficiency filter.


2012 Chevy Cruze LT 1.4T - 50k
2002 Buick Century 130k - Built 4T65e(Maxlife) - Edge 0w40 + Fram XG3980
Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: 901Memphis] #3463283
08/23/14 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
The Tough Guard...it obviously catches more contaimination than the Wix which is a lower efficiency filter.


Obviously these filters were on two different vehicles...so perhaps not the best example of why one is superior over the other. I think that the construction differences between the two speaks volumes more.

Last edited by jk_636; 08/23/14 07:41 PM.

2006 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7 (Supertech 5w30 + OCOD)

2012 Ford Escape 3.0 (Royal Purple 0w20 + Fram Ultra)
Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W] #3463295
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Wow that Fram just exudes build quality, especially compared to that sloppy Wix. Man, next time I'm gettin' a Fram!


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Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: jrustles] #3463296
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Originally Posted By: jrustles
Wow that Fram just exudes build quality, especially compared to that sloppy Wix. Man, next time I'm gettin' a Fram!


I can feel the exuding sarcasm from here crackmeup

Last edited by jk_636; 08/23/14 07:59 PM.

2006 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7 (Supertech 5w30 + OCOD)

2012 Ford Escape 3.0 (Royal Purple 0w20 + Fram Ultra)
Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: mrsilv04] #3463323
08/23/14 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Nothing like having the best built filter, and the cheapest looking filter, side by side.
TG= Tender Guard.

Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W] #3463385
08/23/14 09:27 PM
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It looks like the seam split open on the Fram.


2018 Challenger SRT
Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W] #3463396
08/23/14 09:38 PM
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Maybe the "junk" that the filter caught between the pleats were actually, in fact, disintegrated pieces of the Fram TG filter!


2006 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7 (Supertech 5w30 + OCOD)

2012 Ford Escape 3.0 (Royal Purple 0w20 + Fram Ultra)
Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W] #3463407
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You can use a Fram 3600 / Purolator 20195 instead of the 3614...

It's a third longer, same base and bypass pressure...


2009 Smart Pure
Pennzoil Platinum Euro 0W-40, Purolator Synthetic PSL 14610, 45 mpg...
185/55R15 General HP tires, "H" speed rated, 44 psi (300 kpa)
Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W] #3463418
08/23/14 10:03 PM
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HX520W Offline OP
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What's with all the hate? It seems like every thread with a FRAM in it is full of confirmation bias. frown

Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: jk_636] #3463423
08/23/14 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted By: jk_636
Maybe the "junk" that the filter caught between the pleats were actually, in fact, disintegrated pieces of the Fram TG filter!

That's absolutely false.

Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W] #3463444
08/23/14 10:40 PM
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Both filters look good, but the Wix "looks" better. The TG has superior filtration specs though. I would stick a paper clip or something down in that seam to see if it was really split. I doubt it.


2012 Honda Accord EX-L K24z3
54,xxx miles
PPPP 0w20 / Fram Ultra

2014 VW Jetta SE 1.8T ea888
40,xxx miles
Castrol OEM dealer fill / OEM filter
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