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#3463216 - 08/23/14 05:19 PM FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open
HX520W Offline


Registered: 05/05/14
Posts: 163
Loc: TN
The WIX was installed on a 2008 Dodge grand caravan 3.8L on October 1st 2013 and was in service for 4100 miles until August 12th 2014. I have no complaints about the construction of this filter. In use however it did cause loud lifter noise on start up. (Start up noise was fixed by going back to a FRAM TG.)

The FRAM was installed on a 1997 Saturn sl1 that previously didn't have an oil change for 11k miles and didn't have a filter change for 17k (previous filter was a NAPA pro select which tore in four places). The filter was installed on April 4th 2014 and was in service for 3100 miles until August 22nd 2014. I have one possible complaint about the construction of this filter (see second to last picture). In use I'm very happy with how this filter performed. Even with how dirty the engine is it took weeks before the oil became dark enough to get a good reading on the dipstick.





Side with the seam in the media


Side opposite the seam






Maybe Motorking can explain this to me. I cut open one other TG3614 before this one and it had a metal crimp where both ends of the media meet. Was there a design change or was this filter somehow skipped during manufacturing?

^^Note all the junk between the pleats.^^

This is how much junk the FRAM captured in two pleats eek.

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#3463228 - 08/23/14 05:47 PM Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W]
jk_636 Offline


Registered: 08/03/14
Posts: 1750
Loc: Kentucky
The Wix looks like it held up well. Nice straight pleats, plenty of thick filter media and those beautiful metal end caps! grin2 As for the tough gaurd, Im not really a fan, so I couldn't comment without bias. The only Fram I would personally feel good about using would be the Ultra. Those things are built like tanks!
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#3463232 - 08/23/14 05:54 PM Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: jk_636]
JDW Offline


Registered: 01/08/14
Posts: 665
Loc: South
Originally Posted By: jk_636
The Wix looks like it held up well. Nice straight pleats, plenty of thick filter media and those beautiful metal end caps! grin2 As for the tough gaurd, Im not really a fan, so I couldn't comment without bias. The only Fram I would personally feel good about using would be the Ultra. Those things are built like tanks!


X2 wink
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#3463271 - 08/23/14 07:17 PM Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W]
mrsilv04 Offline


Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 8263
Loc: Illinois
Nothing like having the best built filter, and the cheapest looking filter, side by side.
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#3463277 - 08/23/14 07:23 PM Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W]
901Memphis Offline


Registered: 08/14/10
Posts: 12893
Loc: Northern Kentucky
The Tough Guard is superior to the Wix no matter what you might "feel" the efficiency is higher and it obviously catches more contaimination than the Wix which is a lower efficiency filter.
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#3463283 - 08/23/14 07:36 PM Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: 901Memphis]
jk_636 Offline


Registered: 08/03/14
Posts: 1750
Loc: Kentucky
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
The Tough Guard...it obviously catches more contaimination than the Wix which is a lower efficiency filter.


Obviously these filters were on two different vehicles...so perhaps not the best example of why one is superior over the other. I think that the construction differences between the two speaks volumes more.


Edited by jk_636 (08/23/14 07:41 PM)
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#3463295 - 08/23/14 07:57 PM Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W]
jrustles Offline


Registered: 02/24/13
Posts: 2035
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Wow that Fram just exudes build quality, especially compared to that sloppy Wix. Man, next time I'm gettin' a Fram!
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#3463296 - 08/23/14 07:59 PM Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: jrustles]
jk_636 Offline


Registered: 08/03/14
Posts: 1750
Loc: Kentucky
Originally Posted By: jrustles
Wow that Fram just exudes build quality, especially compared to that sloppy Wix. Man, next time I'm gettin' a Fram!


I can feel the exuding sarcasm from here crackmeup


Edited by jk_636 (08/23/14 07:59 PM)
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#3463323 - 08/23/14 08:23 PM Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: mrsilv04]
steveh Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 988
Loc: wisconsin
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Nothing like having the best built filter, and the cheapest looking filter, side by side.
TG= Tender Guard.

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#3463385 - 08/23/14 09:27 PM Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W]
dishdude Offline


Registered: 11/14/08
Posts: 8732
Loc: Phoenix
It looks like the seam split open on the Fram.
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#3463396 - 08/23/14 09:38 PM Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W]
jk_636 Offline


Registered: 08/03/14
Posts: 1750
Loc: Kentucky
Maybe the "junk" that the filter caught between the pleats were actually, in fact, disintegrated pieces of the Fram TG filter!
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#3463407 - 08/23/14 09:57 PM Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W]
mattwithcats Offline


Registered: 06/13/13
Posts: 1658
Loc: Virginia
You can use a Fram 3600 / Purolator 20195 instead of the 3614...

It's a third longer, same base and bypass pressure...
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#3463418 - 08/23/14 10:03 PM Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W]
HX520W Offline


Registered: 05/05/14
Posts: 163
Loc: TN
What's with all the hate? It seems like every thread with a FRAM in it is full of confirmation bias. frown

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#3463423 - 08/23/14 10:08 PM Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: jk_636]
HX520W Offline


Registered: 05/05/14
Posts: 163
Loc: TN
Originally Posted By: jk_636
Maybe the "junk" that the filter caught between the pleats were actually, in fact, disintegrated pieces of the Fram TG filter!

That's absolutely false.

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#3463444 - 08/23/14 10:40 PM Re: FRAM TG3614 and WIX 51348 cut open [Re: HX520W]
gregk24 Offline


Registered: 04/13/13
Posts: 5600
Loc: FL, USA
Both filters look good, but the Wix "looks" better. The TG has superior filtration specs though. I would stick a paper clip or something down in that seam to see if it was really split. I doubt it.
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