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Re: Oils using which anti-wear additives, Why so many? [Re: Ken2] #3454529
08/13/14 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: Ken2
There are multiple ways to meet the requirements.

Thats true. VOAs show plenty of differences, mainly in the use of boron/moly/titanium, as in some oils don't use them at all and still meet all the specs.

Originally Posted By: Ken2
The zinc compounds produce a wear resistance, relatively high friction film on the surface of the engine parts. Zinc plus the moly compounds produce a wear resistance, low friction tribofilm.
Sounds OK, yet we know Valvoline, Royal Purple, and NAPAsynthetic, all respected products, don't use moly or any other known friction modifier to meet GF-5.

Originally Posted By: Ken2
Zinc plus the titanium compounds produce a similar film at lower cost of ingredients. And, it is much more complex that just this.
I've never heard titanium was a cheaper ingredient. Most oils don't use titanium at all. Not popular.

You didn't say anything about boron. The tech paper above said boron wasn't present in the tribofilm. And we know about half the synthetic oils on the pqia summary done in 2013 didn't use boron. Above it was noticed that even the revered German Castrol 0w-30 doesn't use it either.

There is one oil that has cranked up the anti-wear additives to new heights: Mazda Genuine Motor Oil MGMO 0w-20, with boron at 266 ppm and moly at 664 ppm (no titanium). What are they thinking? They must be meeting some invisible spec.




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Re: Oils using which anti-wear additives, Why so many? [Re: stickybuns] #3454667
08/13/14 04:15 PM
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What is your point for the last post fetchfar?


make the inside of your engine oil cap white.
don't use.
Re: Oils using which anti-wear additives, Why so many? [Re: route66mike] #3455174
08/14/14 11:13 AM
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dave1251, You have never posted anything of any value.
The way these forums work, is you present some form of information.
Are you 12 years old? If so, that would explain a lot.

Re: Oils using which anti-wear additives, Why so many? [Re: stickybuns] #3455360
08/14/14 02:04 PM
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fetchfar what is your point? You posted a reaffirmation of Ken2's comments.


make the inside of your engine oil cap white.
don't use.
Re: Oils using which anti-wear additives, Why so many? [Re: stickybuns] #3455362
08/14/14 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted By: stickybuns
dave1251, You have never posted anything of any value.
The way these forums work, is you present some form of information.
Are you 12 years old? If so, that would explain a lot.


Thank goodness your opinion doesn't mean much. Most of those who matter here know what's up.

You don't.

Go to it, man...


"In a democracy, dissent is an act of faith."
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Re: Oils using which anti-wear additives, Why so many? [Re: route66mike] #3455407
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By posting nothing with useful content, SteveSRT8 and dave1251 always fail, even though Steve claims they are the ones who "matter". Very funny.

Re: Oils using which anti-wear additives, Why so many? [Re: route66mike] #3455450
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stickybuns,
No need for concern, their comments are directed towards a member named far-fetched. So unless this is you, you're good...stickybuns. coffee


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Re: Oils using which anti-wear additives, Why so many? [Re: stickybuns] #3455457
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Originally Posted By: stickybuns
By posting nothing with useful content, SteveSRT8 and dave1251 always fail, even though Steve claims they are the ones who "matter". Very funny.


Funny? A member that was 86ed and had to comeback under a new username. I find this funny.


make the inside of your engine oil cap white.
don't use.
Re: Oils using which anti-wear additives, Why so many? [Re: stickybuns] #3455458
08/14/14 03:22 PM
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Being on this board for longer than you have, I totally disagree with that comment.

You have no idea what you're talking about, you are only angry that someone does not agree with you.

Just like you have told others to "shut up" in previous posts.

Originally Posted By: stickybuns
By posting nothing with useful content, SteveSRT8 and dave1251 always fail, even though Steve claims they are the ones who "matter". Very funny.


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Re: Oils using which anti-wear additives, Why so many? [Re: route66mike] #3455497
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Far fetched has many incarnations. Perhaps one day he'll be able to stand up under his one true name.

Haveblue, stickybutt, farfetched, no matter who you are this week please note that not one ounce of my self esteem is tied in to your approval.

I also never stated I was in charge of anything. I am not.

Carry on, it's quite entertaining in a macabre way...


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Re: Oils using which anti-wear additives, Why so many? [Re: dave1251] #3455498
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Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: stickybuns
By posting nothing with useful content, SteveSRT8 and dave1251 always fail, even though Steve claims they are the ones who "matter". Very funny.


Funny? A member that was 86ed and had to comeback under a new username. I find this funny.



And he just keeps on coming!


"In a democracy, dissent is an act of faith."
J. William Fulbright
Best ET-12.79 @ 111 mph
4340 pounds, Street tires
Just like we go to Publix
Re: Oils using which anti-wear additives, Why so many? [Re: SteveSRT8] #3455502
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: stickybuns
By posting nothing with useful content, SteveSRT8 and dave1251 always fail, even though Steve claims they are the ones who "matter". Very funny.


Funny? A member that was 86ed and had to comeback under a new username. I find this funny.



And he just keeps on coming!



I wonder which is the next screen name?


make the inside of your engine oil cap white.
don't use.
Re: Oils using which anti-wear additives, Why so many? [Re: dave1251] #3455560
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Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: stickybuns
By posting nothing with useful content, SteveSRT8 and dave1251 always fail, even though Steve claims they are the ones who "matter". Very funny.


Funny? A member that was 86ed and had to comeback under a new username. I find this funny.



And he just keeps on coming!



I wonder which is the next screen name?


Dr Richard Shalvoy maybe?



Lack of harm is not proof of benefit.

There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates




Re: Oils using which anti-wear additives, Why so many? [Re: Trajan] #3455575
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Originally Posted By: Trajan
Dr Richard Shalvoy maybe?



Who?
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/about/directory/?Lname=Shalvoy&OName=Shalvoy


make the inside of your engine oil cap white.
don't use.
Re: Oils using which anti-wear additives, Why so many? [Re: HaveBlue] #3455579
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Originally Posted By: HaveBlue
I've been on other forums where members constantly insist "those bitog members are nuts."
Now I see first hand how some attempt to sabotage legitimate discussions.


I agree, bringing in pics of Stewie, Captain Obvious, namecalling with pics of synthetic chamois advertisements is the epitome of internet poor behaviour...you've been around...wouldn't you agree ?

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