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#3453321 - 08/12/14 10:36 AM Re: BMW filter options [Re: srbarnes4ever]
kschachn Offline


Registered: 12/26/05
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I really can't believe this thread has turned into an argument about which oil filter is "best". Let's say I even believe that Wix/Napa Gold is better and Fram Ultra is best. What is that going to get me in terms of engine longevity as opposed to buying a Hengst filter at my dealer?

I can answer that right now. Zilch, nada, zippo.
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#3453329 - 08/12/14 10:45 AM Re: BMW filter options [Re: kschachn]
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
But unlike the Japanese brands, you generally know who the OEM manufacturer is. In the majority of cases you can buy parts that are identical to branded OEM for less money, such as ATE, Lemforder, TRW, Bosch, Pagid, or whatever. Although for a lot of parts if you buy them from an online dealer the price differential isn't much.

Very true. That's why it's crucial to distinguish between OE (the actual part from the actual brand) and OEM (the "same part" from the company that makes it).

OEM parts are often exactly the same as OE, as you say.

You could also end up with a part that was made in the same batch but was outside the OE tolerances.

Either way, you probably won't get the OE warranty. That alone should tell you something.

On my old M3, my success rate with OEM parts was pretty high. My success rate with OE parts was 100%. Not a night-and-day difference, but significant IME.
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#3453352 - 08/12/14 11:03 AM Re: BMW filter options [Re: srbarnes4ever]
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This is a good question because I buy MANN, HENGST, MAHLE from Amazon for a decent price with a Prime membership. The WIX brand is also made in Poland for most European vehicles. I am not stating one is better than the other, only that these are not made in US facilities and are OEM quality. The Purolator I have on the shelf is made in India, and I have no interest in the one in an Orange Box.

The above mentioned filters fit a Mercedes diesel, BMW would be similar.
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#3453357 - 08/12/14 11:07 AM Re: BMW filter options [Re: Dufus2]
route66mike Offline


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Originally Posted By: Dufus2
This is a good question because I buy MANN, HENGST, MAHLE from Amazon for a decent price with a Prime membership. The WIX brand is also made in Poland for most European vehicles. I am not stating one is better than the other, only that these are not made in US facilities and are OEM quality. The Purolator I have on the shelf is made in India, and I have no interest in the one in an Orange Box.

The above mentioned filters fit a Mercedes diesel, BMW would be similar.


I'd pick an oil filter based on how it performs, not on what hunch I have. I don't use divining rods to find water either. Lets keep it real. If it performs better, use it.

Peformance specs have been stated many times: Fram Ultra best, followed by Fram ToughGuards, Mobil 1 Extended, Purolator Synthetic, or Wix (napa gold same), and Carquest is really a Wix too.

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#3453367 - 08/12/14 11:14 AM Re: BMW filter options [Re: route66mike]
kschachn Offline


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Originally Posted By: route66mike
[/quote]I'd pick an oil filter based on how it performs, not on what hunch I have. I don't use divining rods to find water either. Lets keep it real. If it performs better, use it.

Peformance specs have been stated many times: Fram Ultra best, followed by Fram ToughGuards, Mobil 1 Extended, Purolator Synthetic, or Wix (napa gold same), and Carquest is really a Wix too.


So if I buy a BMW/Hengst filter I'm contributing to excessive engine wear and the early demise of my '94? Gee, if I had only known.
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#3453383 - 08/12/14 11:34 AM Re: BMW filter options [Re: route66mike]
srbarnes4ever Offline


Registered: 09/03/02
Posts: 22
Loc: Lexington, KY
Originally Posted By: route66mike
Originally Posted By: Dufus2
This is a good question because I buy MANN, HENGST, MAHLE from Amazon for a decent price with a Prime membership. The WIX brand is also made in Poland for most European vehicles. I am not stating one is better than the other, only that these are not made in US facilities and are OEM quality. The Purolator I have on the shelf is made in India, and I have no interest in the one in an Orange Box.

The above mentioned filters fit a Mercedes diesel, BMW would be similar.


I'd pick an oil filter based on how it performs, not on what hunch I have. I don't use divining rods to find water either. Lets keep it real. If it performs better, use it.

Peformance specs have been stated many times: Fram Ultra best, followed by Fram ToughGuards, Mobil 1 Extended, Purolator Synthetic, or Wix (napa gold same), and Carquest is really a Wix too.


Is this a comparison of AM brands only or are the OE BMW filters in this case even lower on the list? Thanks!
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#3453411 - 08/12/14 12:00 PM Re: BMW filter options [Re: srbarnes4ever]
boundarylayer Offline


Registered: 06/29/14
Posts: 202
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: srbarnes4ever
Originally Posted By: route66mike
I'd pick an oil filter based on how it performs, not on what hunch I have. I don't use divining rods to find water either. Lets keep it real. If it performs better, use it.

Peformance specs have been stated many times: Fram Ultra best, followed by Fram ToughGuards, Mobil 1 Extended, Purolator Synthetic, or Wix (napa gold same), and Carquest is really a Wix too.


Is this a comparison of AM brands only or are the OE BMW filters in this case even lower on the list? Thanks!


The German-made group of oil filters for BMWs (Hengst, Mann, Mahle) don't tell their filtration performance. Like its been said on these forums, and I tried to find out their performance myself and could not find anything, those German oil filters keep it all a trade secret.

For the performance enthusiast who wants something better, the German oil filter group is likely not the best to use. Your engine won't explode by using them. I like smaller particles filtered out of my oil. Each person needs to decide if they want MORE or LESS particles running around inside their engine.

If you want LESS particles, don't choose the German made oil filters. Why? >>>>> They only use wood-based cellulose fiber filter material in those brands. ... Fram Ultra, ToughGuard, ExtraGuards all put some or all synthetic glass fibers in their media for greater performance. Wix and the clones from napa and carquest also have glass in their media. This is how they get their higher performance scores.

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#3453415 - 08/12/14 12:04 PM Re: BMW filter options [Re: srbarnes4ever]
SilverC6 Offline


Registered: 10/03/08
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Stay with the BMW OEM, Mahle, or German Mann oil filters for your BMW.

Amazon is one of the best sources to score these filters at a reduced cost.

Don't fall for the song from the FRAM fanboy sirens.

A FRAM has no place filtering oil in a BMW.

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#3453424 - 08/12/14 12:14 PM Re: BMW filter options [Re: srbarnes4ever]
boundarylayer Offline


Registered: 06/29/14
Posts: 202
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: srbarnes4ever

Is this a comparison of AM brands only or are the OE BMW filters in this case even lower on the list? Thanks!

Notice that SilverC6 doesn't have any facts or reasonable logic to support his Fram-hating stance. Actually, for BMWs, Wix/napagold are great choices, for better filtration efficiency, less particles in your oil. I'll back that up:

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#3453428 - 08/12/14 12:15 PM Re: BMW filter options [Re: srbarnes4ever]
boundarylayer Offline


Registered: 06/29/14
Posts: 202
Loc: California
^^^ Mann (German made oil filter above) is using all-paper filter media, no glass fibers, yet is reasonably average for a filter, will work OK. Notice the pleat spacing, not bad, but you can do better. See my next post below.

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#3453431 - 08/12/14 12:17 PM Re: BMW filter options [Re: srbarnes4ever]
boundarylayer Offline


Registered: 06/29/14
Posts: 202
Loc: California
Now lets look at the Wix-napagold-Carquest oil filter which was engineered for BETTER oil filtration:

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#3453434 - 08/12/14 12:19 PM Re: BMW filter options [Re: srbarnes4ever]
boundarylayer Offline


Registered: 06/29/14
Posts: 202
Loc: California
Compare the two, the typical cellulose wood-chip-only oil filter for BMW (Mann), and then the Wix one that has more media surface area with glass fibers in there.

I like better filtration, so I pick the Wix.

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#3453442 - 08/12/14 12:22 PM Re: BMW filter options [Re: srbarnes4ever]
boundarylayer Offline


Registered: 06/29/14
Posts: 202
Loc: California
Fram Ultra is a little harder to compare on just visuals alone, since it uses more of a depth filtration approach to get the best performance of any out there. All synthetic media does this.

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#3453448 - 08/12/14 12:28 PM Re: BMW filter options [Re: srbarnes4ever]
boundarylayer Offline


Registered: 06/29/14
Posts: 202
Loc: California
The Mahle oil filter probably uses just paper cellulose, not sure, and they won't tell anybody their performance specs, but I'd use a Mahle over a Mann, choosing the best of the two bad choices anyway!

Mahle:


Edited by boundarylayer (08/12/14 12:35 PM)

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#3453454 - 08/12/14 12:30 PM Re: BMW filter options [Re: srbarnes4ever]
boundarylayer Offline


Registered: 06/29/14
Posts: 202
Loc: California
Hengst: Same comments as the Mahle. Here's a Hengst, at least it has plenty of surface area even if its probably on cellulose in there with unpublished performance specs:

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