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#3450123 - 08/08/14 07:35 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: Donald]
jk_636 Offline


Registered: 08/03/14
Posts: 1750
Loc: Kentucky
Originally Posted By: Donald


Copper is never good in the oil and unless you have an oil cooler, something is wearing a little.



I do have an oil cooler. I never thought about that being the culprit. It looks like only time will tell. The next few UOA should be more helpful
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#3450180 - 08/08/14 08:52 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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Hello jk and welcome to the land of many opinions. Most of them have some merit.

My 2cents is that you follow your manual and use a good quality 5w30 and leave out the MMO. There is a recent thread by Molecule in which he had his grad students determine what is in the oil. You should read it.

The MMO will not do anything to that high quality 5w30 that is really beneficial to the engine. So you really do not need it. Save that money and spend it on some good beer instead. Much more satisfying.

And as far as used oil analysis goes, my opinion is to save your money on that, spend it on a high quality, not meaning necessarily expensive, oil and change it according to your owner manual.

There you got it another opinion and enjoy the different opinnions and the readings here. The key point is that you learn, maybe alter, and have good long engine life.

And by the way. Read some of the Petroleum Quality Institute of America analyses. Always a good read.

Have a nice engine.

Bob
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#3450365 - 08/09/14 07:58 AM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
SteveSRT8 Offline


Registered: 10/10/08
Posts: 18329
Loc: Sunny Florida
Originally Posted By: jk_636
Originally Posted By: Donald


Copper is never good in the oil and unless you have an oil cooler, something is wearing a little.



I do have an oil cooler. I never thought about that being the culprit. It looks like only time will tell. The next few UOA should be more helpful


You need a few to do any trending analysis, one by itself really means little.

Copper is present in many newer engines due to assembly lubes, sealers, etc., not just oil coolers. But in our fleet the oil cooler is done shedding any copper by 80k miles for sure...
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#3450625 - 08/09/14 02:14 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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Registered: 02/27/12
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the only real thing you have to worry about is how notorious the 4.7 is for self destructing. good luck.

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#3450680 - 08/09/14 03:15 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: cptbarkey]
jk_636 Offline


Registered: 08/03/14
Posts: 1750
Loc: Kentucky
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
the only real thing you have to worry about is how notorious the 4.7 is for self destructing. good luck.


I guess im not familiar with these engines "self destructing." The magnum engine has been around for years, and aside from being slightly underpowered has always been very reliable...
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#3451293 - 08/10/14 09:45 AM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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Registered: 08/09/14
Posts: 17
Loc: Upstate SC
I run 5w30 in my 127k-mile '01 Durango's 4.7, no additives. Seems to work good, have only owned it since Jan though. Had a Fram filter when I got it, which I changed to a Microgard asap because I've never been a Fram guy. Only thing I noticed is that with using a Microgard filter, the timing chains rattle a few seconds longer on start-up than they did, so I'll be switching to a Wix next time as they are supposed to have much better anti-drainback valves. On start-up you can see the gauge come up to a 1/4 gauge, hover a few seconds, then go to 3/4 gauge almost. Once warm it has a half gauge of oil pressure at idle and 3/4 as soon as you touch the gas. A tech at the dealer said 5w30 was a good weight for it.

Although I know need to do the proper fix of replace the chains and tensioners asap. Just expensive to buy for this engine.

I have been using O'reilly brand full synthetic, been considering switching it over to Pennz Platinum, but after a little reading on here, kinda considering a good HM oil instead?


Edited by ForceFedMopar (08/10/14 09:48 AM)

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#3451537 - 08/10/14 02:07 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: ForceFedMopar]
jk_636 Offline


Registered: 08/03/14
Posts: 1750
Loc: Kentucky
Originally Posted By: ForceFedMopar
I run 5w30 in my 127k-mile '01 Durango's 4.7, no additives. Seems to work good, have only owned it since Jan though. Had a Fram filter when I got it, which I changed to a Microgard asap because I've never been a Fram guy. Only thing I noticed is that with using a Microgard filter, the timing chains rattle a few seconds longer on start-up than they did, so I'll be switching to a Wix next time as they are supposed to have much better anti-drainback valves. On start-up you can see the gauge come up to a 1/4 gauge, hover a few seconds, then go to 3/4 gauge almost. Once warm it has a half gauge of oil pressure at idle and 3/4 as soon as you touch the gas. A tech at the dealer said 5w30 was a good weight for it.

Although I know need to do the proper fix of replace the chains and tensioners asap. Just expensive to buy for this engine.

I have been using O'reilly brand full synthetic, been considering switching it over to Pennz Platinum, but after a little reading on here, kinda considering a good HM oil instead?


I have never used a microgaurd, used Fram years ago, then switched to Puro Classics and Pureones. I have always had good pressure and never had any start up noise with either of those filters. Check out my post where I opened up my Mopar MO90 filter, came out great. I have heard great things about Wix also. Im going to be switching over to a full synthetic next oil change and most likely start running a puro-synthetic filter. As far as the timing chain repair, it is going to be spendy, especially if you have the dealer or another mechanic do it. You could buy the parts relatively cheap on rock auto and do it yourself if it isnt your daily driver and can be apart for a weekend. Good luck either way!
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#3451913 - 08/10/14 08:47 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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Registered: 08/09/14
Posts: 17
Loc: Upstate SC
I'll do it myself, I've been mechanicing since I was 14. Did it for a living off and on. I can get a good price on the parts due to my employee discount at O'reilly's wink

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#3452301 - 08/11/14 11:13 AM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
440Magnum Offline


Registered: 02/01/09
Posts: 8579
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: jk_636
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
the only real thing you have to worry about is how notorious the 4.7 is for self destructing. good luck.


I guess im not familiar with these engines "self destructing." The magnum engine has been around for years, and aside from being slightly underpowered has always been very reliable...



Just ignore the trolls... the 4.7 generally runs forever. 200k, 300k, and more miles are not uncommon. The ONE issue some early ones had was breaking rocker arms or (less often) the lash adjuster pocket on the head. Don't see much of that past ~2002 model year, though.

The later years are spec'd for Xw20, and its been pretty well established that its a backward-compatible spec with some benefits, including reducing the rocker arm trouble by making sure the hydraulic lash adjusters bring the lash to zero as quickly as possible.
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#3452418 - 08/11/14 01:17 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: 440Magnum]
cptbarkey Offline


Registered: 02/27/12
Posts: 3007
Loc: texas
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
the 4.7 generally runs forever.


I guess your right, the turnover of vehicles i have seen on craigslist with blown 4.7L's versus any other domestic v8 is just my imagination.

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#3452632 - 08/11/14 05:47 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: 440Magnum]
jk_636 Offline


Registered: 08/03/14
Posts: 1750
Loc: Kentucky
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: jk_636
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
the only real thing you have to worry about is how notorious the 4.7 is for self destructing. good luck.


I guess im not familiar with these engines "self destructing." The magnum engine has been around for years, and aside from being slightly underpowered has always been very reliable...



Just ignore the trolls... the 4.7 generally runs forever. 200k, 300k, and more miles are not uncommon. The ONE issue some early ones had was breaking rocker arms or (less often) the lash adjuster pocket on the head. Don't see much of that past ~2002 model year, though.

The later years are spec'd for Xw20, and its been pretty well established that its a backward-compatible spec with some benefits, including reducing the rocker arm trouble by making sure the hydraulic lash adjusters bring the lash to zero as quickly as possible.




I remember reading on one of the Ram forums that they had been safely back specced to a 20 weight oil. I have used 20 and 30 weights and they both run fine. The 20 weight gets higher oil pressure and slightly better mileage IMO. And as for the engine life, I am far from concerned. It is well taken care off. I hope to see it live to the 200k mark and beyond. I think that some on this thread get upset just seeing the letters MMO in the title... But I do appreciate all the feedback either way.
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#3453064 - 08/12/14 05:21 AM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: cptbarkey]
SteveSRT8 Offline


Registered: 10/10/08
Posts: 18329
Loc: Sunny Florida
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
the 4.7 generally runs forever.


I guess your right, the turnover of vehicles i have seen on craigslist with blown 4.7L's versus any other domestic v8 is just my imagination.


It's not imagination. Just information. The Internet will do that to ya...
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#3453172 - 08/12/14 08:00 AM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: cptbarkey]
ForceFedMopar Offline


Registered: 08/09/14
Posts: 17
Loc: Upstate SC
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey

I guess your right, the turnover of vehicles i have seen on craigslist with blown 4.7L's versus any other domestic v8 is just my imagination.


90% of those that die were overheated or did not get proper oil maintenance. Same goes for the 2.7 engines.

If you don't like a brand or engine, it's real easy to find issue with them. For instance, I don't like Fords, so I see much more problems with their 4.0 SOHC engines than I do a Dodge 4.7 smile

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#3453912 - 08/12/14 07:24 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: SLATRON]
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Registered: 02/26/13
Posts: 2425
Loc: Central Virginia
Originally Posted By: SLATRON
Truck Specs 30 but your running 20 with MMO, why?
Have a pickup for daily driver? Towed with twice & air in bed?
So you going to keep using MMO because good results, what's that mean?
At 3k miles copper double avg. what's avg mileage based off of?
For extending oci use a 30 grade, keep MMO in gas tank if you can't stop yourself from using.


Hey, he's from Texas. FWIW we have them beat in per capita pickup sales here in VA. LOL I haul a lot of sailboat fuel in the bed of mine too.
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#3453983 - 08/12/14 08:27 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: Silverado12]
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Registered: 08/03/14
Posts: 1750
Loc: Kentucky

[/quote]
Hey, he's from Texas. FWIW we have them beat in per capita pickup sales here in VA. LOL I haul a lot of sailboat fuel in the bed of mine too. [/quote]

Sailboat fuel crackmeup I will have to remember that one
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