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#3440982 - 07/30/14 06:52 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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i DO understand all you say. my first NHRA drag race was 1955 greatbend KS. it IS hard to run a fast car for sure. BUT when 70% of the passes are ONLY one car at full power. that is NOT a race.

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#3441353 - 07/31/14 06:57 AM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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Morris,
Ever watch fuel altereds race back in the day? A complete pass with both cars under full power was rare in that class. Were they "racing"? I bet Willie Bosch felt that he was doing the best he could. How about funny cars match racing at strips that weren't really prepared well or safe? Often they would reduce the Nitro percentage to save on parts. Was that racing? How about a car failing to make the next round call resulting in a bye run? Or a car losing fire after a burnout? 40 years ago I saw a lot of fuel cars make incomplete passes. The good old days weren't always that good.

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#3441705 - 07/31/14 01:10 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: chestand]
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The late "Wild Willie" Borsch.


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#3441835 - 07/31/14 03:06 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: 02SE]
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Now that's entertainment!

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#3442069 - 07/31/14 06:13 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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O YA i went to the world points finals from 1965 to 1968. i have talked to Ronnie Sox, BIG DADDY, connie with a SOHC ford digger. i have seen the mopar A/FX cars in Wichita and BIG. we had our own hero John Webee BEFORE he was fast. O and dont for get i was at the FIRST NHRA nationals 1955 greatbend KS. so i think i can have option that that is valid. and the altered was crazy cause of the short wheelbase. BUT failed engines and tire spin by now should be a thing of the past by now. how many pages of info do they have on the race condition do they have but still cant get it hooked of.


Edited by morris (07/31/14 06:20 PM)

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#3442137 - 07/31/14 07:23 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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Originally Posted By: morris
O YA i went to the world points finals from 1965 to 1968. i have talked to Ronnie Sox, BIG DADDY, connie with a SOHC ford digger. i have seen the mopar A/FX cars in Wichita and BIG. we had our own hero John Webee BEFORE he was fast. O and dont for get i was at the FIRST NHRA nationals 1955 greatbend KS. so i think i can have option that that is valid. and the altered was crazy cause of the short wheelbase. BUT failed engines and tire spin by now should be a thing of the past by now. how many pages of info do they have on the race condition do they have but still cant get it hooked of.


A LOT has changed on Fuel cars, in the last 46 or 59 years. Depending on which year you're referencing.

As I've already said, there are numerous regulations and restrictions that make these cars much more tricky to tune. I'd be happy if most of those went away. Until then, they will always be tricky to tune.

If you think you can do a better job than those of us that have been doing this for years, by all means come out and show us how it's done.

In lieu of that, I hope you can still enjoy watching the races, despite our inept efforts.

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#3442315 - 07/31/14 10:28 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: 02SE]
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Originally Posted By: 02SE
If you think you can do a better job than those of us that have been doing this for years, by all means come out and show us how it's done.

In lieu of that, I hope you can still enjoy watching the races, despite our inept efforts.


Thanks for posting your insight. Always interesting hearing from those that work in racing series what their thoughts are on the current situation in their respective series.
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#3442912 - 08/01/14 01:56 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: 02SE]
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Originally Posted By: 02SE
The late "Wild Willie" Borsch.



Now that's the drag racing of olden times: wildly out of control overpowered machines driven by men who were either crazy or clanged when they walked. Parts breakage and incomplete passes have always been part of the game. The object is to win, and to win you have to tune to either the limit of the car or the limit of the track. If you exceed the limit of the car, you blow up and lose. If you exceed the limit of the track, you go up in smoke and lose. I think the most exciting races are where both cars go up in smoke, and it becomes a contest between drivers who can pedal the throttle more effectively.
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#3443133 - 08/01/14 05:57 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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when i posted O YA i did NOT mean it to say in your face. i might have phrased it wrong. i ment it to say i do understand what you are saying. i have not tuned fuel engines. but i HAVE helped on diff diggers / old style funny cars. ill say this. IF the blow up engines was reduced by 50% but the cars top MPH droped by 30-40. but you had 50% of the passes with two cars side by side. you WOULD have a better race, and happier FANS. the classes that do that NOW have tons of interest. dont they?

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