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#3424998 - 07/14/14 09:50 PM Re: K&N Cool Air intake, '13 2.0L Dart [Re: GumbyJarvis]
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modding is fun & expensive. Cool pics. Good install. Thanks for sharing.
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#3425025 - 07/14/14 10:11 PM Re: K&N Cool Air intake, '13 2.0L Dart [Re: GumbyJarvis]
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I used to put a cai on everything,until I clued in a stock engine is matched to the intake so velocity can be maximized throughout the entire rpm range,instead of just at wife open throttle.
My c3 has a k&n intake and filter and of course a throttle body spacer. I can say truly,without a doubt my 99(with a 5.3) has more part throttle power and this truck pulls great when floored its a bit sluggish when light inputs are required.
I'm not trashing you though. Modding is fun,and expensive.
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#3425077 - 07/14/14 11:00 PM Re: K&N Cool Air intake, '13 2.0L Dart [Re: GumbyJarvis]
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The effectiveness of a CAI depends on the individual vehicle; I picked up @24 bhp when I installed a Mazdaspeed CAI on my MS3; the 30-70 mph 3rd gear times dropped by 0.61 seconds. In contrast, a CAI makes absolutely no difference on my 1995 3er; I was lucky to pick up 12 bhp with a Turner/Conforti chip...
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#3425192 - 07/15/14 05:34 AM Re: K&N Cool Air intake, '13 2.0L Dart [Re: MCompact]
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Originally Posted By: MCompact
The effectiveness of a CAI depends on the individual vehicle; I picked up @24 bhp when I installed a Mazdaspeed CAI on my MS3; the 30-70 mph 3rd gear times dropped by 0.61 seconds. In contrast, a CAI makes absolutely no difference on my 1995 3er; I was lucky to pick up 12 bhp with a Turner/Conforti chip...


Times a million.

My car gets 10 of its hp from a factory modded air intake that is radically different from a regular 5.7 car. A 'snoot' will add virtually nothing but noise.

On my personal Silverado it was good for a full one mpg!


Edited by SteveSRT8 (07/15/14 05:34 AM)
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#3425215 - 07/15/14 06:41 AM Re: K&N Cool Air intake, '13 2.0L Dart [Re: GumbyJarvis]
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Originally Posted By: GumbyJarvis/
dust


This and a K and N filter doesn't go well together.
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#3425218 - 07/15/14 06:44 AM Re: K&N Cool Air intake, '13 2.0L Dart [Re: OneEyeJack]
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Registered: 06/24/04
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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
What happened to the hose that went from the air filter housing around the dip stick?


It's connected to the metal intake pipe a few inches downstream of the filter.

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#3425220 - 07/15/14 06:50 AM Re: K&N Cool Air intake, '13 2.0L Dart [Re: Clevy]
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Registered: 06/24/04
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Originally Posted By: Clevy
I used to put a cai on everything,until I clued in a stock engine is matched to the intake so velocity can be maximized throughout the entire rpm range,instead of just at wife open throttle.


Quoted for truth. I had a '97 Dakota with the 5.2L V-8 and found an AEM DryFlow intake kit locally on Craigslist for 40 bucks. I found that there was a low-to-part throttle torque "sag" just off idle. It picked back up after about 2,000 RPM. And it ran strong to redline, or at least to where the 44RE would upshift. I tweaked that, too, with the TV cable.

But I ended up putting the stock intake back on, and part-throttle driveability was restored to normal.

Originally Posted By: Clevy
Modding is fun,and expensive.


I agree completely. It's more fun to learn by doing rather than learn by reading. So what if the OP decides to put the stock system back in and sell his K&N kit for 100 bucks down the road? He spent 90 dollars to have some fun and learn about his car. To me, that's worth doing every time.

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#3425226 - 07/15/14 07:09 AM Re: K&N Cool Air intake, '13 2.0L Dart [Re: GumbyJarvis]
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I've used K&N filters on several of my vehicles. The silicon readings in my UOAs showed no more than when I used paper filters. Of course, there's always the CHUNKs that don't get counted in a UOA (for anyone that would have brought that up.) Cleaned and reoiled properly, they are sufficient filters.

To see any increase of HP or MPGs you would have to have a vehicle that has an intake that really needs to be opened up. If you don't have one of those, no increase.

But you never, ever get back what you paid for it in any way. If you buy the cleaner and re-oil oil it will blow any savings you may have accumulated.

They are largely for the cool factor and little else.

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#3425471 - 07/15/14 12:26 PM Re: K&N Cool Air intake, '13 2.0L Dart [Re: GumbyJarvis]
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Saying K&N CAIs will destroy your engine is akin to saying "Frams fiber endcaps will destroy yer engine!!111!!1!1!"

Now look a few years later, the consensus on this has changed and more people are going fram versus *gasp* ripping media puros and motorcrafts.

just 20-25 years ago, 10w30 was the go to oil and anything else thinner "will destroy your engine! its like water!"

Then filter mags were debunked and according to some "if they slip, that's metal going everywhere!!"

Oh and cant forget "Once you go to synthetic you can never go back! and synthetic isn't a good break in oil!"

By these theories, someone running a K&N CAI, 0w20, and a OCOD w/ a filter mag after changing from factory fill synthetic to conventional. is a ticking timebomb that's car is going to die in 3000 miles.

which sadly some may still believe...


Ive used both K&N drop ins as well as Spectre drop ins, as well as both mfgrs cones, never had an issue.

My ranger has had a Spectre drop in since it was at 30K with no issues.... and its an oiled drop in.


Edited by GumbyJarvis (07/15/14 12:30 PM)
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#3425480 - 07/15/14 12:35 PM Re: K&N Cool Air intake, '13 2.0L Dart [Re: GumbyJarvis]
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cant forget when these were the "rage" and everyone upsold them.
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#3425496 - 07/15/14 01:03 PM Re: K&N Cool Air intake, '13 2.0L Dart [Re: GumbyJarvis]
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Registered: 06/14/08
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So for the guys who think it is a noise maker and makes no power...that might be the case...On your car. MPGs? I don't know don't care if I am modifing my car MPGs are obviously not my first priority.

Take a LS1 Camaro, Firebird or Corvette. Elimante the stock air box and use a Black Wing, CAI or what in the F-body world is referred to as a LID and you can see anywhere from 15 to 25 RWHP through the entire RPM range. That is Dyno proven time and time again.

Same goes with my Supercharged Grand Prix. Stop thinking one dimensional folks.

A little time on the Dyno might help some folks here or at least a day out there to see how a car reacts to certain things so you are not thinking about just your own car.
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#3425524 - 07/15/14 01:52 PM Re: K&N Cool Air intake, '13 2.0L Dart [Re: GumbyJarvis]
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Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 5966
Loc: Santa Barbara, CA
It won't destroy your engine, but it won't help anything either.

And yes, CAI/intakes can help in some applications. A NA 2.0L is very unlikely to be one of them. $190 is an expensive noisemaker in this case. I would have preferred a muffler delete.
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#3425575 - 07/15/14 02:41 PM Re: K&N Cool Air intake, '13 2.0L Dart [Re: ls1mike]
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Registered: 10/10/08
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Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Stop thinking one dimensional folks.

A little time on the Dyno might help some folks here or at least a day out there to see how a car reacts to certain things so you are not thinking about just your own car.


A great point, as the modding biz is wildly specific to the make, model, and tons of other details....
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#3425594 - 07/15/14 03:04 PM Re: K&N Cool Air intake, '13 2.0L Dart [Re: GumbyJarvis]
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I don't think it's gonna kill the car really soon or blow the motor. It certainly isn't helping it though.
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#3425609 - 07/15/14 03:13 PM Re: K&N Cool Air intake, '13 2.0L Dart [Re: GumbyJarvis]
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Originally Posted By: GumbyJarvis



cant forget when these were the "rage" and everyone upsold them.


The 4-electrode plugs (albeit, Bosch) are factory equipment on many European cars due to their extended lifespan FYI.
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